1 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:11,670 [Music] 2 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:29,210 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 3 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:31,470 Willis your host and we have another 4 00:00:35,540 --> 00:00:33,450 great show for you this evening we have 5 00:00:38,780 --> 00:00:35,550 Robert Schroeder and he's gonna be 6 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:38,790 talking about solving in the UFO enigma 7 00:00:42,850 --> 00:00:40,620 this is gonna be a little bit of science 8 00:00:46,610 --> 00:00:42,860 involved I hope that doesn't scare you 9 00:00:50,689 --> 00:00:46,620 and he's a great guy I had him on way 10 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:50,699 long long ago and back when my shows 11 00:00:54,350 --> 00:00:52,290 were one-hour and speaking of that I 12 00:00:58,100 --> 00:00:54,360 want to I want to make something clear 13 00:01:00,350 --> 00:00:58,110 when people sign up for my subscription 14 00:01:02,750 --> 00:01:00,360 I say that you have access to the 15 00:01:05,660 --> 00:01:02,760 archives 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YouTube on Wednesday you can 30 00:01:39,499 --> 00:01:37,619 watch them live on Wednesday evening at 31 00:01:42,850 --> 00:01:39,509 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time 32 00:01:45,559 --> 00:01:42,860 or on our website podcast UFO comm 33 00:01:47,839 --> 00:01:45,569 playing both those times and also 34 00:01:50,150 --> 00:01:47,849 there's a lot of people listen over at 35 00:01:54,740 --> 00:01:50,160 the Dark Matter digital network hello to 36 00:01:56,059 --> 00:01:54,750 you over there now I started the show 37 00:01:57,109 --> 00:01:56,069 one of the reasons I started the show is 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:01:57,119 because I'd been doing different 39 00:02:01,669 --> 00:01:59,130 podcasts for a long time I still have 40 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:01,679 one that first one that I started was 41 00:02:05,900 --> 00:02:03,690 the antique auction forum it's still 42 00:02:08,540 --> 00:02:05,910 going actually I started that back in 43 00:02:11,089 --> 00:02:08,550 2009 so not too many people interested 44 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:11,099 in UFOs are all that interested in 45 00:02:16,180 --> 00:02:13,680 antiques but you never know so the real 46 00:02:19,790 --> 00:02:16,190 reason I'm bringing this up is I have a 47 00:02:23,059 --> 00:02:19,800 show coming up on that that kind of has 48 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:23,069 a cross interest because I have Dan 49 00:02:30,380 --> 00:02:27,090 curry on and he was an Emmy Award he won 50 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:30,390 seven Emmy Awards and 15 nominations for 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:33,930 visual effects on Star Trek and so he's 52 00:02:38,690 --> 00:02:35,610 going to be on my ante 53 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:38,700 auction forum podcast next week 54 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:40,260 he might be on YouTube we're trying to 55 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:42,540 work that out but he's gonna be talking 56 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:44,640 about his collection of Star Wars 57 00:02:49,070 --> 00:02:46,500 you know besides that behind the scenes 58 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:49,080 memorabilia and stuff like that so it 59 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:51,090 might be something you're not interested 60 00:02:57,230 --> 00:02:52,170 in but I'm definitely going to be 61 00:03:00,500 --> 00:02:57,240 bringing up the topic of UFOs I'm gonna 62 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:00,510 do it okay alright that's it I'm gonna 63 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:04,050 bring in my buddy Alejandro Rojas hello 64 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:07,530 hello so are you a little nervous about 65 00:03:15,020 --> 00:03:10,650 bringing up UFOs with your antique 66 00:03:16,970 --> 00:03:15,030 buddies yeah you know I might hmm yeah I 67 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:16,980 might feel it out before I actually you 68 00:03:20,810 --> 00:03:18,930 know somehow test for it 69 00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:20,820 you know what's surprising these days I 70 00:03:26,150 --> 00:03:23,180 think is that because of this Defense 71 00:03:27,890 --> 00:03:26,160 Department of Defense news people are 72 00:03:30,170 --> 00:03:27,900 feeling it's surprising how many people 73 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:30,180 know about it first of all and people 74 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:33,330 are feeling pretty good about UFO stuff 75 00:03:37,930 --> 00:03:34,770 I think they say they're feeling more 76 00:03:40,610 --> 00:03:37,940 comfortable discussing it I just I had a 77 00:03:42,949 --> 00:03:40,620 casting call a casting agent wrote me 78 00:03:44,420 --> 00:03:42,959 today about they're looking for people 79 00:03:46,790 --> 00:03:44,430 for a show and they say they're gonna 80 00:03:49,130 --> 00:03:46,800 make it like an Anderson Cooper you know 81 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:49,140 serious UFO show for the History Channel 82 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:51,630 coming up oh that would be neat and so 83 00:03:56,949 --> 00:03:53,010 they're asking not to reach out to 84 00:03:59,120 --> 00:03:56,959 people for them the History Channel is 85 00:04:00,830 --> 00:03:59,130 trying a lot of stuff they must have 86 00:04:02,990 --> 00:04:00,840 sent something out to production company 87 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:03,000 saying hey we want a UFO show because 88 00:04:07,490 --> 00:04:04,680 I've gotten some calls and it sounds 89 00:04:09,530 --> 00:04:07,500 like it's they're being approached from 90 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:09,540 different angles with different ideas so 91 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:11,970 we'll see what comes of this but it 92 00:04:17,449 --> 00:04:14,640 seems like they want another show and a 93 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:17,459 couple other networks as well so cross 94 00:04:22,370 --> 00:04:19,560 your fingers I've talked to quite a few 95 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:22,380 of these people myself not just for you 96 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:23,970 know programs and stuff they can cover 97 00:04:27,980 --> 00:04:25,710 but possibly myself being on one of 98 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:27,990 these so we'll see yeah hey by the way I 99 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:29,730 want to say to the youtubes listeners 100 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:32,610 out there check out Alejandro now I mean 101 00:04:35,420 --> 00:04:34,290 you've got like a studio thing going 102 00:04:37,850 --> 00:04:35,430 there do you like it you got a 103 00:04:40,580 --> 00:04:37,860 background you have a light 104 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:40,590 everything Wow I've got background and 105 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:42,090 light you know I'm gonna get some cooler 106 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:44,400 logos to put up here I think that would 107 00:04:47,570 --> 00:04:45,720 be kind of neat I was trying to do 108 00:04:49,220 --> 00:04:47,580 something different you know everybody 109 00:04:52,610 --> 00:04:49,230 that's green screen which is 110 00:04:54,650 --> 00:04:52,620 but it's complicated I got this other 111 00:04:56,810 --> 00:04:54,660 background that just didn't work out and 112 00:04:58,730 --> 00:04:56,820 you know you got to get the the 113 00:05:00,440 --> 00:04:58,740 distances and everything worked out but 114 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:00,450 yeah this is pretty cool I think for now 115 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:04,620 and I'm hoping to do more videos because 116 00:05:09,470 --> 00:05:07,680 people who follow our open minds YouTube 117 00:05:12,590 --> 00:05:09,480 probably will notice we haven't posted 118 00:05:14,510 --> 00:05:12,600 any anything in a while so I'm gonna try 119 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:14,520 to do some more videos and people love 120 00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:16,410 videos you know I was doing green screen 121 00:05:22,490 --> 00:05:20,190 as as you know and and I started like 122 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:22,500 floating the site just couldn't stop it 123 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:24,450 all these weird like things and 124 00:05:28,940 --> 00:05:26,850 everything yeah well yours it's cool 125 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:28,950 yes it's just a photo photographers 126 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:31,290 background that's all yeah yeah I'll be 127 00:05:36,890 --> 00:05:33,570 able to sell you know make some money 128 00:05:40,010 --> 00:05:36,900 yeah like you know it was a QVC TV or 129 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:40,020 something yeah yeah I was thinking I've 130 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:42,210 got some some like stickers it's gonna 131 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:44,490 put like here's hack for it isn't it 132 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:46,650 that marking bent yeah but that Bank 133 00:05:54,170 --> 00:05:49,620 beat you small yeah I don't know for 134 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:54,180 $0.99 yeah for $100 podcast UFO can be 135 00:06:01,760 --> 00:05:58,050 behind ohand row row us sank and we 136 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:01,770 shine I'll sign everything yeah so 137 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:03,330 what's what's happened in the UFO world 138 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:06,570 yeah lots of cool stuff going on in my 139 00:06:11,660 --> 00:06:09,870 humble opinion I do want to plug you 140 00:06:15,740 --> 00:06:11,670 know Tyler rogue away the guy I 141 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:15,750 interviewed yeah this week because he 142 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:17,520 was great he writes for a conventional 143 00:06:22,310 --> 00:06:19,680 another person who because of the DoD 144 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:22,320 news felt emboldened to be able to write 145 00:06:27,380 --> 00:06:25,050 about UFOs something he has an interest 146 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:27,390 in and he started off and he said you 147 00:06:32,090 --> 00:06:30,210 know aerospace people pilots they all 148 00:06:36,260 --> 00:06:32,100 have an interest in UFOs he says if they 149 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:36,270 say they don't they're lying so he knows 150 00:06:39,020 --> 00:06:37,530 this because he's a journalist that 151 00:06:41,180 --> 00:06:39,030 writes for a defense and he writes about 152 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:41,190 Lockheed Martin skunk works all of this 153 00:06:48,470 --> 00:06:45,390 really cool stuff and he has tackled a 154 00:06:50,930 --> 00:06:48,480 couple UFO stories recently one of which 155 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:50,940 which is hit the headlines that you and 156 00:06:56,590 --> 00:06:53,390 I have talked about this Arizona 157 00:06:59,090 --> 00:06:56,600 event Arizona the Cal and New Mexico 158 00:07:01,850 --> 00:06:59,100 where these pilots saw something but he 159 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:01,860 hasn't even much better one which is 160 00:07:05,689 --> 00:07:03,120 what our this this 161 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:05,699 flight from California to Oregon where 162 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:08,400 they had seen an object that was caught 163 00:07:11,420 --> 00:07:09,210 on radar 164 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:11,430 the control tower asked the pilot a does 165 00:07:16,340 --> 00:07:14,520 anybody see this many many pilots chimed 166 00:07:18,170 --> 00:07:16,350 in and said yeah we see it we see it you 167 00:07:21,469 --> 00:07:18,180 know they described it as this bright 168 00:07:23,150 --> 00:07:21,479 object that was very large as large as 169 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:23,160 they are which of course they're these 170 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:26,010 large commercial airplanes they felt 171 00:07:29,330 --> 00:07:27,840 that this is nothing small this has got 172 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:29,340 to be big but it didn't have a 173 00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:31,650 transponder so that was weird they 174 00:07:37,969 --> 00:07:34,560 didn't know what it was it was moving at 175 00:07:41,090 --> 00:07:37,979 a speed equal to theirs at least it was 176 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:41,100 at a you know length that was at least 177 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:43,770 as large as theirs nobody said they 178 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:45,449 could make out any wings or anything 179 00:07:51,070 --> 00:07:47,970 these were flights that were landing in 180 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:51,080 Portland as soon as these flights landed 181 00:07:56,659 --> 00:07:54,750 f-15s were scrambled and the FT 15s 182 00:07:57,469 --> 00:07:56,669 couldn't find anything that whatever it 183 00:08:00,560 --> 00:07:57,479 was was gone 184 00:08:03,710 --> 00:08:00,570 by the time that these f-15 fighters got 185 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:03,720 there so a great case he did some great 186 00:08:10,370 --> 00:08:06,630 foil work he worked worked with the FAA 187 00:08:12,469 --> 00:08:10,380 to get the audio so it's an incredible 188 00:08:15,969 --> 00:08:12,479 case it's a really really good case so 189 00:08:19,070 --> 00:08:15,979 you can find this on the website called 190 00:08:20,990 --> 00:08:19,080 it's the drive and the section he writes 191 00:08:24,350 --> 00:08:21,000 for which is a defense section is called 192 00:08:26,029 --> 00:08:24,360 the war zone and Tyler rogue away is his 193 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:26,039 name you can find him on Twitter too but 194 00:08:30,140 --> 00:08:28,530 some really good stuff I had him on my 195 00:08:32,209 --> 00:08:30,150 podcast last time but those are some 196 00:08:34,190 --> 00:08:32,219 great stories out there yeah 197 00:08:35,750 --> 00:08:34,200 I've listened to started listening to 198 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:35,760 the podcast I think I fell asleep has 199 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:37,529 nothing to do with you it was just a 200 00:08:40,659 --> 00:08:38,250 night 201 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:40,669 but it sounded like it was really good 202 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:43,140 yeah that was it was a lot of fun he 203 00:08:48,290 --> 00:08:46,050 sounded enthusiastic as well so and I 204 00:08:52,430 --> 00:08:48,300 was yeah I really like talking to people 205 00:08:54,170 --> 00:08:52,440 like outside of not not to offend anyone 206 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:54,180 at all but kind of like outside of the 207 00:08:58,880 --> 00:08:57,180 UFO realm that have had some type of 208 00:09:01,990 --> 00:08:58,890 experience or they're always interesting 209 00:09:06,410 --> 00:09:02,000 stories and an interesting perspective 210 00:09:09,079 --> 00:09:06,420 yeah I agree I agree with you 100% and 211 00:09:11,860 --> 00:09:09,089 and and it's important I think because 212 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:11,870 if we're gonna reach broader audiences 213 00:09:19,699 --> 00:09:16,769 and and enlist people with expertise who 214 00:09:21,889 --> 00:09:19,709 help and the type of expertise that 215 00:09:25,009 --> 00:09:21,899 rockaway has being very familiar with 216 00:09:25,999 --> 00:09:25,019 top-secret aircraft or our defense 217 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:26,009 capabilities 218 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:28,110 that's that textured protease which is a 219 00:09:35,989 --> 00:09:31,889 vital and and we talked about why he has 220 00:09:38,989 --> 00:09:35,999 been reticent to you know discuss or do 221 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:38,999 anything with his UFO interests because 222 00:09:42,769 --> 00:09:40,290 of the nature of the field you know 223 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:42,779 there's some a lot of goofballs out 224 00:09:49,249 --> 00:09:46,649 there mm-hmm and we're silly goofballs 225 00:09:51,139 --> 00:09:49,259 yeah that's right we're harmless which 226 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:51,149 is I think yeah one of the harmless type 227 00:09:56,269 --> 00:09:53,660 of goofball yeah anything else happening 228 00:09:59,679 --> 00:09:56,279 yeah there's other stuff that's kind of 229 00:10:02,629 --> 00:09:59,689 cool this is I think a very cool story 230 00:10:04,129 --> 00:10:02,639 the story I posted was from Popular 231 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:04,139 Mechanics you can find this on the front 232 00:10:10,220 --> 00:10:07,049 page of open mind TV but there are other 233 00:10:13,269 --> 00:10:10,230 stories out there and this is the idea 234 00:10:18,379 --> 00:10:13,279 that they think they might have 235 00:10:21,579 --> 00:10:18,389 discovered life on Venus so this is a 236 00:10:24,289 --> 00:10:21,589 really yeah this is a really neat story 237 00:10:27,829 --> 00:10:24,299 and popped up but I got some details 238 00:10:29,569 --> 00:10:27,839 here but essentially of course they've 239 00:10:33,410 --> 00:10:29,579 thought that Venus is too hot and 240 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:33,420 inhospitable to to have life but they've 241 00:10:39,410 --> 00:10:36,809 noticed these dark clouds in Venus's 242 00:10:43,249 --> 00:10:39,420 atmosphere and they think that these 243 00:10:45,109 --> 00:10:43,259 might be light absorbing bacteria so it 244 00:10:47,629 --> 00:10:45,119 would kind of be like the the ocean 245 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:47,639 where we have these blooms of bacteria 246 00:10:53,090 --> 00:10:50,399 and similar thing but in their 247 00:10:55,189 --> 00:10:53,100 atmosphere in Venus that you know there 248 00:10:58,100 --> 00:10:55,199 may be there's bacteria living there so 249 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:58,110 an amazing discovery if they do find out 250 00:11:02,509 --> 00:11:00,660 that's what it is but that's really cool 251 00:11:05,119 --> 00:11:02,519 that yeah they're taking this really 252 00:11:06,460 --> 00:11:05,129 seriously that that this could be this 253 00:11:09,470 --> 00:11:06,470 is that something be Zoe 254 00:11:11,449 --> 00:11:09,480 so all these contactees wheat that were 255 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:11,459 saying they were you know in touch with 256 00:11:15,769 --> 00:11:13,769 the venetians all these you know yeah 257 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:15,779 they were right who knows maybe these 258 00:11:21,549 --> 00:11:18,089 bacteria have consciousness and they've 259 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:21,559 been they even can use telepathy knows 260 00:11:25,489 --> 00:11:23,970 sure we'll find out over time you know 261 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:25,499 we're always finding out the universe is 262 00:11:29,179 --> 00:11:27,660 much stranger than we expect but yeah 263 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:29,189 maybe they'll be watching these plumes 264 00:11:32,990 --> 00:11:30,630 and they'll see some kind of 265 00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:33,000 large creature come floating up in the 266 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:35,550 clouds and eating the bacteria who knows 267 00:11:41,510 --> 00:11:37,740 well it doesn't that be ironic though a 268 00:11:43,010 --> 00:11:41,520 planet that it has been stated many many 269 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:43,020 times over the years there's no way 270 00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:44,730 there could be life there when that 271 00:11:47,420 --> 00:11:46,800 begot ironic if the life was found there 272 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:47,430 first 273 00:11:52,490 --> 00:11:50,370 no kidding especially with all of the 274 00:11:54,890 --> 00:11:52,500 missions and everything all the focus on 275 00:11:57,310 --> 00:11:54,900 Mars yeah it would be shocking it would 276 00:11:59,690 --> 00:11:57,320 be really cool if that did happen yeah 277 00:12:02,300 --> 00:11:59,700 let's see there was another couple of 278 00:12:04,910 --> 00:12:02,310 things Tom DeLonge it's got a secret 279 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:04,920 Machines book two coming out of course 280 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:07,890 it's fictionalized art no this is um but 281 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:09,600 it's supposed to be based on real stuff 282 00:12:15,980 --> 00:12:11,610 that's kind of interesting but this is 283 00:12:18,460 --> 00:12:15,990 really cool the mint in Winnipeg is the 284 00:12:22,820 --> 00:12:18,470 Canadian Mint they are posting a 285 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:22,830 Manitoba UFO encounter coin they 286 00:12:26,990 --> 00:12:24,930 actually already made it and I guess 287 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:27,000 it's a hit it's a different kind of 288 00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:30,720 shape and it glows in the dark but it is 289 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:33,960 in commemoration of this sighting that 290 00:12:41,390 --> 00:12:38,970 took place and Chris route route Kowski 291 00:12:43,580 --> 00:12:41,400 you know that yeah a UFO researcher in 292 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:43,590 Canada he's been doing some news pieces 293 00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:46,050 so we have some of those we posted a the 294 00:12:50,780 --> 00:12:48,000 extended version of an interview with 295 00:12:54,740 --> 00:12:50,790 him about this with CTV Canadian 296 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:54,750 television news and so it's kind of cool 297 00:12:58,700 --> 00:12:56,370 this was an event that occured in the 298 00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:58,710 70s I can't remember exactly which year 299 00:13:03,620 --> 00:13:01,680 sorry for that but essentially this is a 300 00:13:06,620 --> 00:13:03,630 guy who came across a craft and it 301 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:06,630 actually burned him he was got too close 302 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:08,490 and he said it took off in it burnt 303 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:11,010 these marks across his chest but oh that 304 00:13:15,530 --> 00:13:13,710 is oh wow yeah they're commemorating 305 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:15,540 this UFO encounter with this coin a 306 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:18,570 really cool coin I was like I'm gonna 307 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:21,600 get it it's a $20 coin but you know it 308 00:13:26,690 --> 00:13:23,850 even though they put that monetary value 309 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:26,700 they charge more for them I wasn't aware 310 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:28,710 of that so I went to was really happy to 311 00:13:34,130 --> 00:13:30,810 spend my twenty dollars and it turned 312 00:13:36,170 --> 00:13:34,140 out it's actually $140 for the coin so 313 00:13:38,390 --> 00:13:36,180 I'm not sure if I can make that much of 314 00:13:42,770 --> 00:13:38,400 an investment yet my boss did or John 315 00:13:44,390 --> 00:13:42,780 Rael the owner of open minds that TV so 316 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:44,400 I'm excited to get 317 00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:46,500 oh look at his coin once he gets that I 318 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:48,000 guess they're gonna be shipped out in 319 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:50,640 June that would suck them I always think 320 00:13:55,790 --> 00:13:52,410 of that it's a Falcon Lake incident and 321 00:13:58,610 --> 00:13:55,800 that was back in 1967 by the way yeah 322 00:14:01,610 --> 00:13:58,620 you're right and you know what I I could 323 00:14:03,410 --> 00:14:01,620 be and this has happened before 324 00:14:06,770 --> 00:14:03,420 believe it or not I could be completely 325 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:06,780 wrong in the signing that they no no 326 00:14:10,990 --> 00:14:08,010 that would be the same sighting because 327 00:14:13,460 --> 00:14:11,000 the guy had the the burn marks on him 328 00:14:15,950 --> 00:14:13,470 that's yeah that's the Falcon Lake but 329 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:15,960 it happened in Manitoba yeah it is 330 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:18,090 Falcon Lake yeah you're right 67 so that 331 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:19,260 it that is the one that they're 332 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:21,930 commemorating yeah yeah that is so cool 333 00:14:26,990 --> 00:14:24,360 stuff yeah that's that was quite a quite 334 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:27,000 an incident I would love to do a show on 335 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:28,710 that sometime if there's like a 336 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:31,350 researcher that wrote a book I don't 337 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:32,730 know I haven't even looked into it but 338 00:14:36,530 --> 00:14:33,990 that would be good to do as well you 339 00:14:38,300 --> 00:14:36,540 know but if you you'll have to you know 340 00:14:39,890 --> 00:14:38,310 people can go to open mindset TV right 341 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:39,900 now and on the front page and our 342 00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:43,440 headlines you'll see the interview with 343 00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:46,560 Chris Bukowski he might be the person to 344 00:14:52,370 --> 00:14:49,680 talk to about that case yeah yeah and 345 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:52,380 he's great I mean he's a journalist he's 346 00:14:58,250 --> 00:14:54,810 very credible and grounded in his 347 00:15:00,200 --> 00:14:58,260 research so I'm a big fan of his but if 348 00:15:02,090 --> 00:15:00,210 you go to articles and then you go to 349 00:15:05,540 --> 00:15:02,100 look at the daily UFO headlines you'll 350 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:05,550 see the link for the actual coin story 351 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:08,610 where you'll be able to also find the 352 00:15:15,020 --> 00:15:10,890 link to purchase your own should you 353 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:15,030 wish to do so okay so is that it for for 354 00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:17,460 news today is it yeah unless you want 355 00:15:20,390 --> 00:15:18,780 some more I'm sure I can come up with 356 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:20,400 something there's always lots of 357 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:22,650 exciting stuff going on I think it's 358 00:15:26,210 --> 00:15:24,420 time to bring on the guests but I really 359 00:15:28,670 --> 00:15:26,220 appreciate it a hundred and we'll be 360 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:28,680 talking to you next week as always yep 361 00:15:32,270 --> 00:15:30,450 you've got a great guest to go to so you 362 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:32,280 better get to it all right dad 363 00:15:35,270 --> 00:15:33,420 thank you very much we'll talk to you 364 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:35,280 next week all right take care bye bye 365 00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:38,250 YouTube see ya all right our guest 366 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:40,260 Robert Schroeder like I said he was on 367 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:42,120 many years ago the beginning of the 368 00:15:47,930 --> 00:15:45,420 podcast his book is called solving the 369 00:15:51,530 --> 00:15:47,940 UFO enigma how modern physics is 370 00:15:53,390 --> 00:15:51,540 revealing the technology of UFOs he's 371 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:53,400 recently retired while he's been retired 372 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:55,710 a while after 26 years from 373 00:16:00,860 --> 00:15:58,170 hewlett-packard where he was involved 374 00:16:04,690 --> 00:16:00,870 operations and product management he has 375 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:04,700 degrees in math from Rutgers and 376 00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:07,380 University and in aerospace engineering 377 00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:11,279 and anyway we are going to be talking 378 00:16:15,290 --> 00:16:12,959 now to Robert welcome to the show again 379 00:16:16,670 --> 00:16:15,300 Robert hi Martin 380 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:16,680 thank you for having me on the show 381 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:19,589 again yeah yes last time was face to 382 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:21,240 face in my office when I was down in 383 00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:23,160 Massachusetts I don't know if I remember 384 00:16:30,350 --> 00:16:27,360 them yeah I sure do yeah I've been oh 385 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:30,360 where was it war burnt by the mall yeah 386 00:16:36,980 --> 00:16:32,970 weird yeah that was it right Robin as I 387 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:36,990 say they're the locals yeah I'm from New 388 00:16:44,269 --> 00:16:42,690 Jersey so yeah originally yeah for the I 389 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:44,279 believe I hear a phone ringing 390 00:16:51,889 --> 00:16:47,940 perhaps that's okay you're right yeah 391 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:51,899 that's okay so for the person that 392 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:54,240 doesn't know your background I know you 393 00:17:00,590 --> 00:16:57,930 have other science or engineers in your 394 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:00,600 family but can you kind of give it 395 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:02,130 background and I remember you tell him 396 00:17:06,049 --> 00:17:04,049 you had a sighting when you were young a 397 00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:06,059 real unique sighting if I remember right 398 00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:09,839 is that right that's exactly right and I 399 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:12,630 I'm glad you mentioned that because I 400 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:14,130 would like to talk about that a little 401 00:17:20,510 --> 00:17:17,280 too and but first let me give you a 402 00:17:24,679 --> 00:17:20,520 little bit of my background I come from 403 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:24,689 New Jersey as I just mentioned and I I 404 00:17:32,980 --> 00:17:28,730 grew up in Teaneck New Jersey which is a 405 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:32,990 little town well not that little it's 406 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:35,250 physically it's not too big but 407 00:17:40,820 --> 00:17:38,190 population wise it has about forty fifty 408 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:40,830 thousand people so compared to the town 409 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:44,250 I live in now which is physically much 410 00:17:50,419 --> 00:17:46,910 bigger but has a much smaller population 411 00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:50,429 but we were a suburb of New York City 412 00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:54,059 and so I grew up there in the 50s and 413 00:18:01,310 --> 00:17:58,140 60s and probably sometime in the 80s I 414 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:01,320 came up to this part of the country to 415 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:05,010 work for a computer company originally 416 00:18:09,890 --> 00:18:06,710 it was Digital Equipment Corporation 417 00:18:10,669 --> 00:18:09,900 which I'm sure many of the local people 418 00:18:12,590 --> 00:18:10,679 here remember 419 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:12,600 but eventually 420 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:16,380 was swallowed by hewlett-packard so at 421 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:19,110 the end of the day I ended up retiring 422 00:18:25,820 --> 00:18:22,890 from hewlett-packard after 26 27 years 423 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:25,830 and and that was a great company to work 424 00:18:30,170 --> 00:18:28,050 for one of the best reasons to work for 425 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:30,180 hewlett-packard I had trips out to 426 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:33,770 California in the middle of the winter 427 00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:37,710 and and for those of us in Massachusetts 428 00:18:46,370 --> 00:18:41,580 you can really appreciate that you know 429 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:46,380 but anyway I come from a family of 430 00:18:56,270 --> 00:18:50,130 scientists and engineers my dad was a 431 00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:56,280 chemist and he he graduated from MIT so 432 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:00,240 I have that kind of a background I I 433 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:03,570 have a degree in math from Rutgers my 434 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:07,290 daughter works now down in the DC area 435 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:10,770 and she's a structural engineer you know 436 00:19:17,060 --> 00:19:13,830 probably a bit unusual for a woman but 437 00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:17,070 if that's what she does and my wife is a 438 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:18,000 math teacher 439 00:19:28,370 --> 00:19:26,310 in abstract algebra at Rutgers so so 440 00:19:31,910 --> 00:19:28,380 that gives you an idea of who I am you 441 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:31,920 know and I I love science I even though 442 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:34,410 I ended up in the business world I were 443 00:19:39,530 --> 00:19:37,110 you know for a computer company there 444 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,540 and I was actually in finance and 445 00:19:48,380 --> 00:19:42,320 operations and and product management 446 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:48,390 but my heart was always with science and 447 00:19:53,660 --> 00:19:51,000 physics in particular I just love it you 448 00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:53,670 know I'm the kind of guy that I go to 449 00:19:59,300 --> 00:19:55,980 bookstores and aleko 450 00:20:02,480 --> 00:19:59,310 I live here in Massachusetts and I'll go 451 00:20:04,220 --> 00:20:02,490 to the Harvard coop we are big yeah 452 00:20:08,660 --> 00:20:04,230 they're big bookstore they're you know 453 00:20:11,630 --> 00:20:08,670 about yep yep yeah and it's gigantic and 454 00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:11,640 they're just literally thousands of 455 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:14,670 books on science and stuff and my wife 456 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:17,460 gets a little upset but I could spend 457 00:20:21,710 --> 00:20:19,980 the entire day there you know and 458 00:20:24,490 --> 00:20:21,720 looking through the books you'll only 459 00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:24,500 let me buy so many per trip I know it 460 00:20:32,660 --> 00:20:26,520 otherwise would be 461 00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:32,670 you know but I so anyway I've been a one 462 00:20:38,660 --> 00:20:35,640 of your you sent me an email before the 463 00:20:40,790 --> 00:20:38,670 show that one of your listeners I think 464 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:40,800 his name was Tom had asked a couple of 465 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:43,650 questions and how did I end up with an 466 00:20:49,010 --> 00:20:47,130 interest in physics and stuff even 467 00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:49,020 though I worked in the business world 468 00:20:57,950 --> 00:20:53,870 well actually I originally wanted to 469 00:21:02,960 --> 00:20:57,960 work for NASA but by the time I 470 00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:02,970 graduated from college in 1972 at that 471 00:21:08,150 --> 00:21:05,400 time there was a lot of budgetary 472 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:08,160 problems and they were cutting back on 473 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:12,330 the NASA budget so I ended up switching 474 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:15,330 to a business major I ended up getting 475 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:18,570 an MBA and so I stayed in Rutgers for 476 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:20,850 two more years and that worked out great 477 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:24,360 because I I did okay nice retirement and 478 00:21:30,410 --> 00:21:27,930 all that stuff and and but I missed 479 00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:30,420 science and all through the years one 480 00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:33,150 time allowed I would read on on physics 481 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:34,950 and stuff like that and just to give you 482 00:21:41,930 --> 00:21:39,330 an idea of what I what I do when I read 483 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:41,940 about physics I love that you know the 484 00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:44,490 general interest books in it you know I 485 00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:48,960 definitely enjoy those but I also am 486 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:51,960 interested in the math and physics so 487 00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:54,870 I've been for the last year and a half 488 00:22:01,940 --> 00:21:58,200 I've been studying the the math of 489 00:22:05,780 --> 00:22:01,950 general relativity tensor math and all 490 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:05,790 that stuff and and I've also kind of 491 00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:08,850 looked at quantum mechanics I derived 492 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:10,980 for dangerous equation which is one of 493 00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,510 the key equations of general relativity 494 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:15,360 but in fact oh I forgot to mention I 495 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:19,170 wrote a book solving the UFO enigma how 496 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:20,730 modern physics is revealing the 497 00:22:25,670 --> 00:22:23,460 technology of UFOs and in that book for 498 00:22:28,910 --> 00:22:25,680 anybody who's interested they can see 499 00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:28,920 how I derived the key wave equation of 500 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:32,160 quantum mechanics and it's kind of fun 501 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:34,230 don't be afraid of it don't I tell 502 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:36,150 people even if you don't have a math 503 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:39,510 background you can figure it out in the 504 00:22:44,050 --> 00:22:40,440 back of the book 505 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:44,060 I show basic calculus how to do it I 506 00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:47,670 show vector calculus and things like 507 00:22:54,650 --> 00:22:51,750 that too so that's one thing I really 508 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:54,660 believe in that people should not be 509 00:23:00,680 --> 00:22:58,290 afraid of the math and the physics in 510 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:00,690 the back of the book in Appendix A I 511 00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:02,760 don't know if you Oh Martin is showing 512 00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,820 it on the on the video here you can kind 513 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:07,860 of see it in appendix oh yeah you're 514 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:10,050 looking at the Schrodinger equation 515 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:14,370 derivation there and and it's it's not 516 00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,050 as bad as you might think 517 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:19,200 it takes a little bit of you've got to 518 00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:23,370 kind of go through the the oh if you 519 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:25,320 don't have a background in math you want 520 00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:27,990 to go to the appendix a and look at that 521 00:23:33,530 --> 00:23:29,880 and then you can flip back to the 522 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:33,540 Schrodinger equation and but if that 523 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:35,970 hope that gives people an idea where I 524 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:38,550 come from in my background I love 525 00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:42,450 science and I'm you know I have so much 526 00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:43,920 fun oh by the way another thing I forgot 527 00:23:50,780 --> 00:23:46,200 to mention after I retired I started 528 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:50,790 doing substitute teaching at a middle 529 00:23:57,650 --> 00:23:53,520 school in high schools and stuff and I 530 00:24:00,860 --> 00:23:57,660 have so much fun with the kids I I try 531 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:00,870 to inspire them to get into math and 532 00:24:09,650 --> 00:24:04,170 science and for a very good reason I 533 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:09,660 believe because some many people may not 534 00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:12,570 be aware of this but only about 6 or 7 535 00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:16,920 percent of American college students go 536 00:24:24,650 --> 00:24:21,120 into engineering and and engineering in 537 00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:24,660 science in contrast in China which is 538 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:26,520 certainly one of our big competitors 539 00:24:33,050 --> 00:24:29,570 today it's something like 40 percent 540 00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:33,060 isn't that incredible that's a it's it's 541 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:35,880 six seven times greater you know and so 542 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:37,710 if you don't watch out we're gonna lose 543 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:41,130 our shirts you know none and technology 544 00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:44,160 is so so critical not only that pardon 545 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:45,720 me but not only that but you think of 546 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:48,210 the population of China compared to the 547 00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:50,790 US and then you do the math how many 548 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:53,340 people that is compared not nevermind 549 00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:54,130 percentage but 550 00:24:59,340 --> 00:24:56,200 the amount of people and you're gonna 551 00:25:01,410 --> 00:24:59,350 get yes real smart people in there you 552 00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:01,420 know it's just bound to happen 553 00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:05,590 statistically yep I totally agree and we 554 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:08,200 have really got to be kind of proactive 555 00:25:14,610 --> 00:25:12,610 about this and so but anyway that's so 556 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:14,620 when I'm in middle school and and to 557 00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:17,290 high school I love telling I love 558 00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:18,940 inspiring the kids and telling them 559 00:25:23,850 --> 00:25:21,040 about you know special relativity 560 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:23,860 general relativity and stuff like that 561 00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:27,400 and I and I've come up with some kind of 562 00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:30,750 simple ways to show them how it works so 563 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:33,940 they can actually see how the curvature 564 00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:36,570 of space-time creates what we call 565 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:39,780 gravity and then I do another example 566 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:43,090 that shows that anybody can come up with 567 00:25:48,420 --> 00:25:46,510 the equations of special relativity if 568 00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:48,430 you if you know the Pythagorean theorem 569 00:25:54,510 --> 00:25:50,740 you can you can do it on your own and 570 00:25:58,620 --> 00:25:54,520 it's it's that easy you know and people 571 00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,630 are unnecessarily afraid of math and 572 00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:01,360 science and they shouldn't be and but 573 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:04,870 anyway so I want to also mention about 574 00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:07,090 the UFO sighting that I had yeah yeah 575 00:26:12,150 --> 00:26:10,720 that's okay this was way back way way 576 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:12,160 back 577 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:16,840 it was 1950 November in 1957 and for 578 00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:25,320 experience over the years here they will 579 00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:28,960 be aware that 1957 was one of those 580 00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:32,680 times when there was a gigantic UFO wave 581 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:35,830 around the world but particularly in the 582 00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:40,030 United States and and at the time I was 583 00:26:45,630 --> 00:26:43,750 only about 10 years old and I and I and 584 00:26:47,730 --> 00:26:45,640 of course I didn't I don't think I was 585 00:26:52,650 --> 00:26:47,740 reading the papers back then I think I 586 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:52,660 was out playing baseball but so but one 587 00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,410 day in 1957 but I did love science even 588 00:27:01,650 --> 00:26:59,200 then as a kid my dad used to buy us 589 00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:01,660 chemistry sets and things like that and 590 00:27:06,810 --> 00:27:04,260 my grandfather was an engineer so 591 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:06,820 because of that kind of history and 592 00:27:10,169 --> 00:27:07,750 background 593 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:10,179 it's just sort of in my blood you know 594 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:14,320 and and so one day about five o'clock in 595 00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:17,880 the afternoon in November so that so the 596 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:21,340 Sun was already beginning to go down but 597 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:24,010 you could still see it I mean you could 598 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:26,890 still bright daylight and and I looked 599 00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:29,770 up in the sky and we lived about two 600 00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:32,500 miles where two or three miles west of 601 00:27:37,049 --> 00:27:34,900 New York City Manhattan the George 602 00:27:41,399 --> 00:27:37,059 Washington Bridge if for people that 603 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:41,409 know that part of the country and and so 604 00:27:45,779 --> 00:27:44,049 I looked up and I looked at the peak of 605 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:45,789 the roof of our house we had a big 606 00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:47,890 two-story house I come from a big family 607 00:27:55,289 --> 00:27:51,190 so we needed a big house I have five 608 00:28:00,750 --> 00:27:55,299 brothers and sisters and and yeah I know 609 00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:00,760 so but anyway what happened was I I was 610 00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:02,950 out there and I don't know why I was out 611 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:04,600 there but I always still loved to look 612 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:09,610 up this at the the Boeing 707 was just 613 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:14,289 coming out and and so you could see 614 00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:16,690 these jets going across the sky and I 615 00:28:20,970 --> 00:28:18,280 used to love to go up there and go out 616 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:20,980 and look at him and I and I looked up 617 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:24,610 and I saw this cylindrical shaped object 618 00:28:29,399 --> 00:28:27,090 coming over the roof of our house and 619 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:29,409 but it was way up there probably about 620 00:28:35,370 --> 00:28:31,720 5,000 feet and it was heading straight 621 00:28:37,649 --> 00:28:35,380 toward New York City and and it was 622 00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:37,659 exactly the shape of a cigarette that's 623 00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:39,700 the best way I can describe it and it 624 00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:42,760 was gold in color and I'm looking at 625 00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:44,440 this thing and I'm thinking this is 626 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:48,100 really weird because Boeing 707s had 627 00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:50,650 tapered front and back the nose was 628 00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:52,870 tapered and the tail was tapered and you 629 00:28:58,049 --> 00:28:55,030 could and you could see the wings 630 00:29:00,649 --> 00:28:58,059 usually now of course anybody in a clear 631 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:00,659 it was a perfectly clear blue sky and 632 00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:03,250 I've noticed sometimes when a plane 633 00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:06,280 tilts its wings a certain way you can 634 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:08,200 see the fuselage but you can't really 635 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:11,770 see the wings and so you know they're 636 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:13,809 there but you know you don't really see 637 00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:15,880 them and so I thought well maybe that's 638 00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,480 what it is 639 00:29:21,539 --> 00:29:18,880 and maybe it's just an optical illusion 640 00:29:23,159 --> 00:29:21,549 about the blunt front and the blood 641 00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:23,169 back I mean when I say shaped like a 642 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:25,899 cigarette I mean exactly like a 643 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:30,960 cigarette and then as it continued its a 644 00:29:36,269 --> 00:29:33,129 majestic that's the only way I can 645 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:36,279 describe it of majestic movement across 646 00:29:41,249 --> 00:29:38,830 the sky heading east toward New York 647 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:41,259 City and as I mentioned we were about 648 00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:43,450 two or three miles west of the of 649 00:29:51,659 --> 00:29:47,590 Manhattan I noticed there was a round 650 00:29:54,899 --> 00:29:51,669 object following in tandem behind this 651 00:29:57,180 --> 00:29:54,909 thing and and it was maybe one length of 652 00:30:00,570 --> 00:29:57,190 the cigarette behind it and the 653 00:30:02,879 --> 00:30:00,580 cigarette by the way was long axis was 654 00:30:06,649 --> 00:30:02,889 pointing toward New York and it was 655 00:30:10,379 --> 00:30:06,659 going in the direction of travel and so 656 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:10,389 anyway they were both moving along 657 00:30:17,009 --> 00:30:13,450 together and the round object was no 658 00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:17,019 wider than the narrow width of the 659 00:30:23,489 --> 00:30:21,190 longer cylinder and so I was amazed I 660 00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:23,499 could not believe I was what I was 661 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:26,350 seeing and here's this thing and it's 662 00:30:31,619 --> 00:30:29,379 and then it finally headed toward the 663 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:31,629 trees at the other end of our yard and 664 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:34,330 at that point I said oh my gosh I got to 665 00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:36,460 tell my brothers and sisters so I ran 666 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:39,340 inside to get them and I I got one of my 667 00:30:44,849 --> 00:30:41,590 brothers to come out and he took a look 668 00:30:46,859 --> 00:30:44,859 and he saw it just as it disappeared but 669 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:46,869 it was really strange but now I got to 670 00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:48,609 tell you the connection to the UFO 671 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:52,470 phenomenon it was November 1957 and 672 00:30:58,169 --> 00:30:55,690 anybody who studied the UFO phenomenon 673 00:31:02,460 --> 00:30:58,179 over the years knows that in early 674 00:31:05,729 --> 00:31:02,470 November there was a big UFO case 10 and 675 00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:05,739 level in Texas does it does that ring a 676 00:31:11,249 --> 00:31:09,220 bell then I you know oh it doesn't I'm 677 00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:11,259 sorry I should have known in that one 678 00:31:15,479 --> 00:31:15,039 but I just can't recall it oh yeah no 679 00:31:18,299 --> 00:31:15,489 problem 680 00:31:21,749 --> 00:31:18,309 well briefly what happened down there in 681 00:31:25,229 --> 00:31:21,759 dr. J Allen Hynek investigated these 682 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:25,239 objects came down there was about seven 683 00:31:30,239 --> 00:31:27,850 or eight sightings around this town and 684 00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:30,249 people's trucks were being stopped cars 685 00:31:35,130 --> 00:31:32,200 being stopped when they out these 686 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:35,140 egg-shaped objects would land 687 00:31:40,050 --> 00:31:38,200 on the road you know hunt couple hundred 688 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:40,060 feet in front of a car and the car's 689 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:42,810 engine would stop a very typical 690 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:45,480 characteristic of UFO Close Encounters 691 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:48,970 Ana and as dr. Hynek points out many 692 00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:52,330 times in his books so it's very 693 00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:54,100 interesting that I saw this thing in 694 00:32:03,780 --> 00:31:56,830 November - I think that's significant 695 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:03,790 and and so anyway years later as a as a 696 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:08,410 teenager I took a book out of the 697 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:11,890 Teaneck public library by Donald Kehoe 698 00:32:18,810 --> 00:32:16,210 major Donald Kehoe and and and again 699 00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:18,820 many people with a background in the UFO 700 00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:22,960 field know that Donald Kehoe was was the 701 00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:26,560 one of the guys that became even though 702 00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:28,420 he was an Air Force guy I think was he 703 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:30,070 project Bluebook I can't remember 704 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:32,650 whatever oh no he was the first yeah 705 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:34,930 first Lee Spiegel and I were just 706 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:36,790 talking about him last night he was 707 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:39,310 basically the first government 708 00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:43,090 whistleblower on UFOs he was a former 709 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:46,390 Air Force and well one of his books that 710 00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:49,360 I was reading in in the sometime in the 711 00:32:58,170 --> 00:32:54,280 1960s it talked about this sighting over 712 00:33:01,020 --> 00:32:58,180 in France that where this guy was 713 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:01,030 walking his dog early in the morning and 714 00:33:07,170 --> 00:33:03,970 he looked up in the sky and he saw this 715 00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:07,180 gigantic cylinder and it was like 2 a.m. 716 00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:10,060 in the morning or something and he said 717 00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:12,280 it was like a metallic cylinder it was 718 00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:15,700 tilted at a 45 degree angle and as he 719 00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:18,040 watched it he was wondering what the 720 00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:20,200 heck it was he said this thing he 721 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:22,600 compared it to the clouds and he kind of 722 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:24,250 had an idea of how big the clouds were 723 00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:27,130 and he said this thing easily had to be 724 00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:31,390 1/2 mile long and and so now I'm really 725 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:34,150 interested as I read this story it 726 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:35,770 because it sounded like the cylinder 727 00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:38,230 that I saw and he described it as blunt 728 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:40,630 on the ends and looking pretty much like 729 00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:43,240 a cigarette and then here's the key to 730 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:46,150 the whole thing he said on the bottom 731 00:33:49,019 --> 00:33:48,370 end of this thing suddenly saw a flash 732 00:33:51,709 --> 00:33:49,029 of light 733 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:51,719 and a disc-shaped object came out 734 00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:54,129 swirled around the cylinder a couple 735 00:33:59,189 --> 00:33:56,409 times shot off in one direction of the 736 00:34:01,589 --> 00:33:59,199 compass a second one came out shot off 737 00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:01,599 in another direction until six or seven 738 00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:04,149 had come out and mothers up here yeah 739 00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:08,079 exactly exactly and I realized what I 740 00:34:15,389 --> 00:34:12,879 had seen back in 1957 was one of these 741 00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:15,399 typical mother ships and that was just 742 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:18,909 one of the UFOs which must be what I 743 00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:21,369 guess you could call Scout ships that 744 00:34:26,309 --> 00:34:23,950 must be stacked up like plates on the 745 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:26,319 inside of the mothership you know and 746 00:34:32,759 --> 00:34:28,569 and I finally realized that's what it 747 00:34:34,889 --> 00:34:32,769 was and and and that revelation really 748 00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,899 excited me because I suddenly realized 749 00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:37,359 there was something to this phenomenon 750 00:34:44,579 --> 00:34:41,639 this was something real and and so 751 00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:44,589 anyway over the years as time permitted 752 00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,409 I've been studying the UFO phenomenon 753 00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:49,599 and I and of course my love of science 754 00:34:57,029 --> 00:34:55,240 too I tried to apply many many times 755 00:35:00,059 --> 00:34:57,039 over the years I kept wondering if 756 00:35:01,470 --> 00:35:00,069 different ideas could explain it you've 757 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:01,480 probably heard of the Alcubierre warp 758 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:05,410 drive Miguel Alcubierre II you know and 759 00:35:12,089 --> 00:35:08,410 I looked at that back in the 90s before 760 00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:12,099 that oh there was that guy out in 761 00:35:19,309 --> 00:35:16,420 California and I forget his name Kip 762 00:35:22,319 --> 00:35:19,319 Thorne the physicist Kip Thorne and he 763 00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:22,329 discussed the idea of wormholes and the 764 00:35:27,809 --> 00:35:25,599 idea of use of having negative energy to 765 00:35:31,859 --> 00:35:27,819 hold the wormhole open that would allow 766 00:35:33,329 --> 00:35:31,869 craft to travel between the stars and so 767 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:33,339 there were a number of these ideas 768 00:35:43,009 --> 00:35:37,569 floating around but I never was totally 769 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:43,019 sure of them and be and eventually 770 00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:45,460 Miguel Alcubierre II came out and said 771 00:35:53,309 --> 00:35:50,460 that his idea probably wouldn't work 772 00:35:55,470 --> 00:35:53,319 because the energy requirements were way 773 00:35:58,559 --> 00:35:55,480 too great and Kip Thorne pointed out 774 00:36:02,000 --> 00:35:58,569 that the problem with the wormhole idea 775 00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:02,010 is that the idea of negative energy 776 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:06,270 and and and a wormhole trying to get a 777 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:08,520 wormhole to go - you can't direct the 778 00:36:11,540 --> 00:36:09,690 wormhole 779 00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,550 you basically have to find one and then 780 00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:14,640 go into it and and and the dangers are 781 00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:16,830 tremendous I just suddenly realized 782 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:18,660 Martin I've kind of taken off here 783 00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:22,470 without you know you're the host oh no 784 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:23,880 no no this is all this is all 785 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,130 interesting by the way I have a question 786 00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:29,040 involving a race stanford coming up here 787 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:31,080 in a second that was sent to me and he 788 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:33,270 just emailed me to correct me and I 789 00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:35,130 looked it up at the same time Kehoe is 790 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:37,830 actually a marine major he was a aviator 791 00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:40,410 - yeah okay so and I was the one that 792 00:36:45,110 --> 00:36:41,940 said he was Air Force so that was wrong 793 00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,120 so here's a question with Ray in and by 794 00:36:49,850 --> 00:36:47,280 the way later on we'll take calls anyone 795 00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,860 wants to call in we'll be taking calls 796 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:52,140 right after let's say about a half hour 797 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:55,770 from now okay so this person want to 798 00:37:01,610 --> 00:36:58,170 know have you ever spoken with Ray 799 00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:01,620 Stanford regarding propulsion ideas ray 800 00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:03,660 seems to have some very complex 801 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:05,220 understanding or theories regarding 802 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:08,450 propulsion it would be neat to see how 803 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:11,850 both ideas compare have you and Ray ever 804 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:15,450 discussed this uh you know before the 805 00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:20,490 show I I knew if that question was kind 806 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:22,350 of becoming and I 807 00:37:27,110 --> 00:37:24,930 I quickly I only had about 10 or 15 808 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:27,120 minutes but I quickly looked up on the 809 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:29,730 internet and I couldn't find much on 810 00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:32,010 Ray's Stanford and I couldn't find much 811 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:34,020 about his theories if I catch me nothing 812 00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:37,710 so I don't really know I've definitely 813 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:39,720 heard of him he's been I've heard him 814 00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,910 mentioned a few other times I just 815 00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:44,160 haven't been able to find out much about 816 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:48,540 his ideas um he's the only place that I 817 00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:50,610 can think of and Ray may call and he's 818 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:53,190 called in a number of times but the only 819 00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,510 place I can think that it's published 820 00:37:59,540 --> 00:37:56,700 would be in Chris Lam brights book X 821 00:38:01,840 --> 00:37:59,550 descending and okay his propulsion 822 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:01,850 theory is played out very well on that 823 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:04,170 with images and everything it's very 824 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:07,530 interesting and you know ray again ray 825 00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,210 may call in later you know in the half 826 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,720 hour but we have to we have to talk 827 00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:15,520 about your your theories 828 00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:18,040 how you came up with it in and I 829 00:38:23,130 --> 00:38:21,070 remember I was kind of baffled and it 830 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:23,140 and you didn't go to science II but you 831 00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:26,110 had to get a little bit into math and a 832 00:38:30,780 --> 00:38:28,270 little bit on how things work 833 00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:30,790 so let's can start at the beginning or 834 00:38:37,770 --> 00:38:34,000 anywhere you know it's going okay yeah 835 00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:37,780 that that sounds great Martin and so the 836 00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:39,940 first thing I want to address is the UFO 837 00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:43,360 evidence and I know a lot of people are 838 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:48,220 skeptical about UFOs and but they really 839 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:51,010 shouldn't be I don't think the ones that 840 00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:53,800 listen to this show I don't believe that 841 00:38:59,610 --> 00:38:58,000 they are I believe there are some the 842 00:39:01,800 --> 00:38:59,620 most for the most part that you know I 843 00:39:03,330 --> 00:39:01,810 have people that are that are interested 844 00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:03,340 if we have a lot of people that are very 845 00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,620 good healthy skeptics but still are 846 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:07,920 interested like you were all the years 847 00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:10,840 yes and I you may have heard of 848 00:39:16,110 --> 00:39:13,300 skeptical inquirer oh yeah men 849 00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:16,120 Robert Schaeffer yeah and I actually saw 850 00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:19,480 him down in Arizona at the International 851 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:21,940 UFO Congress and I tried to get him to 852 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:24,430 come over to my table but I couldn't get 853 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:27,810 him to come over this to bed and but I 854 00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:30,610 you know I always want those guys to get 855 00:39:35,060 --> 00:39:33,220 a fair hearing you know so I'm I don't 856 00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:35,070 really have any problem with skeptics 857 00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:40,960 but my my attitude is that you know now 858 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:46,470 that Kepler the Kepler telescope and 859 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:49,450 ways the Kepler or whichever oh no 860 00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:51,250 Kepler's going up that's the no no no 861 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:54,430 Kepler smartphone this place yeah okay 862 00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:56,890 then James Webb is the the one that the 863 00:40:01,710 --> 00:39:59,050 James Webb that's going up Thank You 864 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:01,720 Martin yep the James Webb is going up I 865 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:06,370 think this year but anyway the Kepler 866 00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:08,950 and and some other methods that they've 867 00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:12,960 been using they found about 4,000 868 00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:17,440 extrasolar planets out there and and I 869 00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:19,060 know I think they even found when the 870 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:24,940 Trappist system tra PP ist that has like 871 00:40:30,490 --> 00:40:27,890 eight or nine seven or eight planets 872 00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:30,500 many of them earth-sized and they think 873 00:40:35,799 --> 00:40:33,049 two or three appear to be in the 874 00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:35,809 habitable habitable zone of the Trappist 875 00:40:41,710 --> 00:40:37,940 system I don't know if how many people 876 00:40:43,779 --> 00:40:41,720 have heard about that but but the fact 877 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:43,789 that the methods that they're using now 878 00:40:54,009 --> 00:40:50,710 are kind of biasing the data toward 879 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:54,019 planets that are closer to their parent 880 00:41:00,190 --> 00:40:56,690 star and for example the Trappist system 881 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:00,200 is a dwarf star a red dwarf and so those 882 00:41:04,779 --> 00:41:02,450 planets are relatively close and of 883 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:04,789 course the reason for that is they what 884 00:41:10,750 --> 00:41:08,089 they're looking for is when the planet 885 00:41:12,819 --> 00:41:10,760 eclipses the star and there's a slight 886 00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:12,829 change in the light then they know that 887 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:16,460 the planet is there or there's a wobble 888 00:41:21,579 --> 00:41:19,250 in the stars orbit because of the 889 00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,589 planets tugging it and so they these are 890 00:41:25,779 --> 00:41:23,839 the different things but of course a 891 00:41:28,299 --> 00:41:25,789 planet that's closer to its parent star 892 00:41:31,299 --> 00:41:28,309 is going to create more of a wobble and 893 00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,309 so the methods that they're using right 894 00:41:36,789 --> 00:41:34,000 now are not really designed to find 895 00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:36,799 solar systems like ours where the 896 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:39,680 planets are spread out and it's a G star 897 00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:43,730 and and and of course 99% of the plant 898 00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:46,700 stars out there the planets going around 899 00:41:52,569 --> 00:41:50,960 them I won't be and you know directly in 900 00:41:55,329 --> 00:41:52,579 our planes so that we can see the 901 00:41:57,490 --> 00:41:55,339 planets against that star it's only 902 00:42:00,220 --> 00:41:57,500 about one percent that are happened to 903 00:42:00,970 --> 00:42:00,230 be eclipsing their stars that are at the 904 00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:00,980 right angle 905 00:42:07,539 --> 00:42:05,420 the orbits of their planets and so the 906 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:07,549 reason I mentioned that is because the 907 00:42:11,799 --> 00:42:09,890 fact that just by these relatively 908 00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:11,809 primitive methods they've already found 909 00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:14,950 four thousand planets in a decade or two 910 00:42:22,660 --> 00:42:18,079 tells you that they are just everywhere 911 00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:22,670 and so I and before this they really 912 00:42:28,269 --> 00:42:25,160 didn't know it was pure speculation the 913 00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:28,279 Drake Equation and so now they know and 914 00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,470 and the odds are that there are just 915 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:32,960 literally billions trillions of planets 916 00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:36,410 out there and so I think the possibility 917 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:39,380 of other Earth's with intelligent life 918 00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:41,690 are just fine 919 00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:44,660 you know I think if they're absolutely 920 00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,200 overwhelming and so anyway so what I 921 00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:50,480 want to get to is the next question is 922 00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:54,320 if there is life out there have some of 923 00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,420 these in more advanced civilizations 924 00:43:00,190 --> 00:42:58,160 than ours have they've been able to 925 00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:00,200 figure out how to get to planet Earth 926 00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:03,110 and I think they have Anna and the 927 00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:05,990 reason I say that is because of the UFO 928 00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:08,420 evidence not just my sighting but 929 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:11,300 sightings by thousands and thousands of 930 00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:14,450 people by very credible witnesses like 931 00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:17,300 airline pilots professors and things 932 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:21,590 like that people like that and and so I 933 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:24,530 want to point out the evidence from the 934 00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:28,010 the accumulated evidence we have of UFOs 935 00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:30,320 and their characteristics because that's 936 00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:33,590 critical so one of the things that's 937 00:43:39,070 --> 00:43:36,590 really interesting about UFOs is their 938 00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:39,080 rapid accelerations this has been 939 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:42,140 reported time and time again I remember 940 00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:44,810 there was like I think it was a General 941 00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:48,470 Mills the I know they're a serial 942 00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:51,790 company but they operate some 943 00:43:59,050 --> 00:43:56,240 atmospheric research labs - and they 944 00:44:01,900 --> 00:43:59,060 were doing some work down I think in New 945 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:01,910 Mexico or someplace like that and they 946 00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:04,010 had some balloons up there that they 947 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:05,720 were observing through the auto light 948 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:10,190 and uh and one day they observed you 949 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:12,770 they saw a UFO circling one of their 950 00:44:17,050 --> 00:44:15,110 balloons and they were watching it and 951 00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:17,060 they and they could see it clearly 952 00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,680 and they said it was a typical disc 953 00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:21,200 shaped UFO and then to their amazement 954 00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:24,350 the thing took off they estimated 955 00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:26,900 because they they were able to track it 956 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:31,340 at over 100 G's 100 times the force of 957 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:34,810 gravity the acceleration this is 958 00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:39,290 unbelievable and and and so the best of 959 00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:41,840 human pilot can do is about 10 G's and 960 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:44,750 some in our jet fighters and even then 961 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:47,450 it takes a G suit and special training 962 00:44:49,690 --> 00:44:49,250 and stuff and that's about the best they 963 00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:49,700 can do 964 00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:52,070 so that's an important characteristic of 965 00:45:00,010 --> 00:44:58,240 we have to pay attention to these 966 00:45:03,730 --> 00:45:00,020 characteristics if we're going to 967 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:03,740 understand their technology and so 968 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:05,930 that's one thing that's very important 969 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:11,090 now too in order for an object any kind 970 00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:15,410 of object to accelerate fast it has to 971 00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:18,980 overcome inertia and inertia is is basic 972 00:45:24,580 --> 00:45:21,320 it's nothing more than the resistance to 973 00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:24,590 acceleration and there's a number of 974 00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:27,110 theories out there on where inertia 975 00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:32,510 comes from but one of the guys that way 976 00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:36,200 back many many years ago back at the Oh 977 00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:38,900 in the turn of the previous century 978 00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:42,440 around 1900 or sometime in that era a 979 00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:45,590 guy an Austrian physicist by the name of 980 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:49,400 Ernst Mach came up with machs principle 981 00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:53,510 and his idea was that inertia is due to 982 00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:55,790 the mass of the entire universe so 983 00:46:01,360 --> 00:45:58,130 pulling on any particular object when it 984 00:46:03,250 --> 00:46:01,370 tries to accelerate and and so he meant 985 00:46:06,370 --> 00:46:03,260 if when you look up at the sky at night 986 00:46:08,070 --> 00:46:06,380 all those stars out there all those 987 00:46:10,210 --> 00:46:08,080 galaxies and everything like that 988 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:10,220 billions and billions of light-years 989 00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:14,510 away are all tugging on whatever object 990 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:17,060 it is in our vicinity that tries to 991 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:19,490 accelerate which is kind of an amazing 992 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:23,930 theory and Einstein wanted to 993 00:46:29,110 --> 00:46:26,690 incorporate machs principle into his 994 00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:29,120 general theory of relativity and he 995 00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:31,180 wasn't really sure whether he did or not 996 00:46:37,690 --> 00:46:36,350 but anyway so there's a number of people 997 00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:37,700 that have looked at this over the years 998 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:41,660 but so the but the key thing I'm really 999 00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:46,580 trying to get at is is that inertia any 1000 00:46:51,610 --> 00:46:49,310 the greater the mass of an object the 1001 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:51,620 greater the inertia so the harder it is 1002 00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:54,050 to accelerate and this is very important 1003 00:47:01,410 --> 00:46:55,520 to what we're going to get to later and 1004 00:47:06,010 --> 00:47:01,420 so somehow and now how much do these UFO 1005 00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:06,020 UFOs way well Ted Phillips of MUFON who 1006 00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:09,380 used to work for dr. J Allen Hynek 1007 00:47:15,820 --> 00:47:12,980 I actually went out and did a multi-year 1008 00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:15,830 study on this and he examined landing 1009 00:47:20,260 --> 00:47:18,470 sites were UFOs had come down and looked 1010 00:47:22,060 --> 00:47:20,270 at the indentations in the ground I 1011 00:47:24,490 --> 00:47:22,070 think there was one in France where it 1012 00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:24,500 landed on railroad ties and left deep 1013 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:28,220 indentations in the railroad ties and so 1014 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:31,370 he concluded that these objects and he 1015 00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:34,250 said in the witnesses reported that the 1016 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:36,230 object came down and then Jeff very 1017 00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:39,290 gently settled down so the indentations 1018 00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:42,260 don't appear to be from momentum the 1019 00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:44,630 object coming in fast and leaving a 1020 00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:48,710 bigger indentation so they appear to be 1021 00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:50,540 just from the weight of the UFO itself 1022 00:47:56,830 --> 00:47:52,670 after it turned off it's at whatever 1023 00:47:59,110 --> 00:47:56,840 engines it has and but he ended up 1024 00:48:02,650 --> 00:47:59,120 coming up with a figure between 10 and 1025 00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:02,660 30 tons ten tons to 30 tons for the 1026 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:05,240 typical disc shape then egg-shaped and 1027 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:06,170 are like that 1028 00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:10,970 yes you got it it's on and you know just 1029 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:14,900 getting you do here of impressions that 1030 00:48:20,290 --> 00:48:18,410 are very deep on these landings like for 1031 00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:20,300 instance the egg-shaped one at Socorro 1032 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:23,470 left you know really dig you know deep 1033 00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:27,970 marks in the ground that's right and and 1034 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:30,200 that's right and dr. J Allen Hynek 1035 00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:33,530 examined that that landing site so that 1036 00:48:38,050 --> 00:48:35,870 was a very interesting one because a 1037 00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:38,060 police officer is generally going to be 1038 00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:40,040 very credible and I think there was 1039 00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:42,710 possibly other witnesses who observed 1040 00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:47,030 the thing at a distance and a but but 1041 00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:48,740 anyway the reason I mentioned this is 1042 00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:51,800 because somehow these UFOs which appear 1043 00:48:58,990 --> 00:48:54,950 to be in that 10 to 30 ton range have 1044 00:49:01,900 --> 00:48:59,000 phenomenal acceleration which tells you 1045 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:01,910 that something really interesting is 1046 00:49:06,850 --> 00:49:04,370 going on here in a for them to 1047 00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:06,860 accelerate an object with great mass 1048 00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:08,870 like that you can think of like a 1049 00:49:15,070 --> 00:49:12,800 cannonball it takes tremendous force to 1050 00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:15,080 shoot a cannonball and and you can 1051 00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:18,080 actually see the cannonball you know as 1052 00:49:22,540 --> 00:49:20,870 it travels if you're at a particular 1053 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:22,550 angle you can see it 1054 00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:24,410 rifle bullet which is has very little 1055 00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:27,470 mess when you shoot it out of a rifle 1056 00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:29,990 you can't see it it's just so fast you 1057 00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:33,110 know and it can accelerate a lot faster 1058 00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:34,070 than a cannonball 1059 00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:36,470 and I I've actually seen this this is 1060 00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:39,740 something I I it amazed me I was in 1061 00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:44,180 Vietnam back in 67 68 and in the US Army 1062 00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:48,470 and the battleship New Jersey the state 1063 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:51,020 from where I come from and was shooting 1064 00:49:58,270 --> 00:49:55,250 at targets beyond where we were and and 1065 00:50:00,840 --> 00:49:58,280 and we were you know we were just kind 1066 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:00,850 of we could hear the noise of the shells 1067 00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:03,290 had the ones that had already passed us 1068 00:50:10,570 --> 00:50:06,470 because they're going pretty fast and uh 1069 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:10,580 and so but I I we happen to be looking 1070 00:50:15,730 --> 00:50:13,250 up and we saw these sulphur flashes in 1071 00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:15,740 the sky and I realized we were looking 1072 00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:18,230 at the shells being lobbed by the New 1073 00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:22,280 Jersey so that tells you an object with 1074 00:50:27,010 --> 00:50:24,830 a lot of mess can't go very fast but it 1075 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:27,020 does carry a lot of punch because of its 1076 00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:29,930 mass like an ax and and of course the 1077 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:34,070 explosives and but but anyway that's 1078 00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,370 just an example of what I mean by 1079 00:50:42,550 --> 00:50:39,920 inertia and mass the relationship there 1080 00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:42,560 so that's one of the other important 1081 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:45,920 characteristics and then another very 1082 00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:47,690 important characteristic of UFOs is 1083 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:51,320 their ability to levitate and and that's 1084 00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,650 very interesting too and typically 1085 00:50:58,930 --> 00:50:56,720 levitate without making too much noise 1086 00:51:03,190 --> 00:50:58,940 although sometimes they hear a humming 1087 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:03,200 or generator noise and so I have to say 1088 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:06,770 that they do make some noise some some 1089 00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,570 of them do but a lot of times you do 1090 00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:10,880 hear of this silence that's the one you 1091 00:51:17,470 --> 00:51:13,670 hear almost more often yes that's 1092 00:51:21,970 --> 00:51:17,480 exactly correct and and I find that 1093 00:51:24,310 --> 00:51:21,980 pretty amazing to me yeah so but then 1094 00:51:28,570 --> 00:51:24,320 another characteristic which I really 1095 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:28,580 find interesting is that these a number 1096 00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:31,130 of people over the years pilots have 1097 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:34,430 seen these UFOs become partially 1098 00:51:39,069 --> 00:51:35,690 transparent 1099 00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:39,079 and then totally disappear and one of 1100 00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:42,200 the best cases was Captain Charles 1101 00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:45,680 dubach Air France and I don't remember 1102 00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:48,740 the date maybe in 1994 something like 1103 00:51:59,620 --> 00:51:52,430 that but he was approaching Paris in a 1104 00:52:02,559 --> 00:51:59,630 Boeing 747 and he observed a about a 1105 00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:02,569 thousand foot diameter bread disc about 1106 00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:06,230 20 miles ahead of him and this red disc 1107 00:52:11,050 --> 00:52:08,329 he said it was picked up on their 1108 00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:11,060 airborne radar as well as to ground 1109 00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:14,720 radars of military and civilian and as 1110 00:52:19,780 --> 00:52:17,630 they watched this object it became 1111 00:52:21,099 --> 00:52:19,790 partially transparent and then they 1112 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:21,109 finally could see straight through it 1113 00:52:24,099 --> 00:52:21,770 Anna 1114 00:52:27,550 --> 00:52:24,109 and it finally totally disappeared but 1115 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:27,560 it isn't that I find that amazing and 1116 00:52:36,130 --> 00:52:32,089 then another guy up in Canada and this 1117 00:52:40,359 --> 00:52:36,140 was more recent I think maybe 2014-2015 1118 00:52:42,490 --> 00:52:40,369 observed a cylindrical shaped UFO that 1119 00:52:45,130 --> 00:52:42,500 was below him as he was coming in for a 1120 00:52:48,099 --> 00:52:45,140 landing and he saw it moving above this 1121 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:48,109 highway and then as the UFO maybe 1122 00:52:54,460 --> 00:52:51,770 apparently for some reason it suddenly 1123 00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:54,470 became partially transparent and then 1124 00:52:58,420 --> 00:52:56,420 totally disappeared right in front of 1125 00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,430 his eyes and he said the weird thing was 1126 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:01,040 he could see the road right through the 1127 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,410 object but still see the outline of the 1128 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:06,319 object and then it disappeared in a and 1129 00:53:14,109 --> 00:53:10,970 and and there's a number of other cases 1130 00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:14,119 there was a guy oh and I can't remember 1131 00:53:20,380 --> 00:53:19,150 chichester Francis Chichester you've 1132 00:53:24,609 --> 00:53:20,390 probably never heard of him 1133 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:24,619 he was one of the pioneers in aviation 1134 00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:28,730 aviation pioneer and and way back and I 1135 00:53:39,069 --> 00:53:36,760 believe the 1920s way back in the 1920s 1136 00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:39,079 oh you know what the wind is blowing 1137 00:53:46,359 --> 00:53:40,990 here and I heard this noise by the door 1138 00:53:49,540 --> 00:53:46,369 and a but but this guy he was flying 1139 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:49,550 what's called a gypsy moth aircraft 1140 00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:52,490 which is a biplane and so this wasn't 1141 00:53:59,350 --> 00:53:57,440 exactly fast but but he saw a what and 1142 00:54:06,640 --> 00:53:59,360 in those days they didn't call them UFOs 1143 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:06,650 in the 1920s but he observed this disc 1144 00:54:12,010 --> 00:54:09,170 shaped object with a you know with a 1145 00:54:15,010 --> 00:54:12,020 cupola on the top and he said what 1146 00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:15,020 amazed him was as he was watching it he 1147 00:54:19,150 --> 00:54:17,030 said it was maybe a maybe a mile out 1148 00:54:21,850 --> 00:54:19,160 ahead of him and as he's approaching it 1149 00:54:24,340 --> 00:54:21,860 and it was off to one side a little bit 1150 00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:24,350 he said the thing became partially 1151 00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:27,860 transparent and then it totally 1152 00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:30,830 disappeared and then where the object 1153 00:54:37,570 --> 00:54:34,340 had been a cloud formed in exactly the 1154 00:54:39,820 --> 00:54:37,580 shape of the UFO Anna and then it 1155 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:39,830 dissipated in the breeze but then he 1156 00:54:44,170 --> 00:54:41,450 looked over on the right he saw another 1157 00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:44,180 flash of light and the object reappeared 1158 00:54:50,260 --> 00:54:46,390 over there he said it seemed like it was 1159 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:50,270 splitting the sky and reappearing and it 1160 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:53,090 moved he said maybe a mile off to one 1161 00:54:59,460 --> 00:54:57,410 side and and he was amazed and and I and 1162 00:55:02,950 --> 00:54:59,470 it dawned on me when I read the story 1163 00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:02,960 that gypsy moths in those days the 1164 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:05,480 planes couldn't fly too high so they 1165 00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,890 weren't and he was not at a great 1166 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:09,440 altitude I don't know his exact altitude 1167 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:11,810 but I know he wasn't way up 40,000 feet 1168 00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:16,610 or anything and and so I realize that at 1169 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:19,670 that height of the atmosphere there was 1170 00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:21,530 be a lot of moisture because lower down 1171 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:23,750 you are the more moisture it's all 1172 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:26,090 that's part of the reason Jets when they 1173 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:28,610 fly way up high they get away from a lot 1174 00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:32,570 of the turbulence and storm clouds and 1175 00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:34,670 stuff in the lower atmosphere that's why 1176 00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:36,950 they fly up there and it's thinner and 1177 00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:41,660 they can go faster so and of course 1178 00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,160 where the atmosphere is moist 1179 00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:46,400 if you create a sudden vacuum you end up 1180 00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:47,830 with a cloud 1181 00:55:53,770 --> 00:55:50,960 that's how clouds formed as they go up 1182 00:55:57,820 --> 00:55:53,780 to the lowered pressure higher up in the 1183 00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,830 Alta in the sky that's why clouds form 1184 00:56:02,860 --> 00:55:58,880 up there 1185 00:56:07,150 --> 00:56:02,870 it ends up creating it 1186 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:07,160 a cloud you know and so anyway so that 1187 00:56:11,890 --> 00:56:09,530 that made me realize that it does 1188 00:56:13,810 --> 00:56:11,900 something so that was the third case but 1189 00:56:15,850 --> 00:56:13,820 there's a number of others as well but I 1190 00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:15,860 just mentioned those three for our 1191 00:56:22,780 --> 00:56:19,430 purposes here and so and there's a few 1192 00:56:25,870 --> 00:56:22,790 other characteristics of UFOs like they 1193 00:56:28,270 --> 00:56:25,880 have one very important one is that 1194 00:56:30,130 --> 00:56:28,280 they're often seem to rotate and and 1195 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:30,140 that's very important as well and 1196 00:56:36,970 --> 00:56:34,610 another characteristic is they they seem 1197 00:56:40,270 --> 00:56:36,980 to glow they often see a glow around 1198 00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:40,280 UFOs and that's what I actually when I 1199 00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:42,710 had my sighting it helped it had like a 1200 00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:46,640 bluish glow over over it you know it's 1201 00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,910 okay it was it was like Twilight like 1202 00:56:55,540 --> 00:56:52,160 eight o'clock and in the evening so it 1203 00:56:57,340 --> 00:56:55,550 wasn't quite you know dark and it went 1204 00:56:59,710 --> 00:56:57,350 over me there were no lights on it but 1205 00:57:02,650 --> 00:56:59,720 it was sort of like us I would say a 1206 00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:02,660 silvery looking disc but it had a the 1207 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:06,680 overall had like a hue of blue like a 1208 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:09,010 like blue glow over the whole thing oh 1209 00:57:14,860 --> 00:57:13,250 wow and what year do you remember 2006 1210 00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:14,870 oh wow 1211 00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:17,720 and that was Monterey area California 1212 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:21,440 the Carmel yeah no you were lucky to be 1213 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:26,410 out there I love I love California 1214 00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:32,210 and by the way when was that Chicago 1215 00:57:42,850 --> 00:57:38,380 O'Hare sighting god I want to say it was 1216 00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:42,860 2008 verse 7 I was 7 mm so I think it 1217 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:46,940 was 2007 yeah gate c-17 I remember that 1218 00:57:53,830 --> 00:57:50,570 I look as we're talking that is another 1219 00:57:59,280 --> 00:57:53,840 that case but that that left a circle in 1220 00:58:04,510 --> 00:57:59,290 the cloud yes punched a hole yeah yeah I 1221 00:58:07,690 --> 00:58:04,520 think I recently asked yeah 2007 2006 1222 00:58:09,550 --> 00:58:07,700 actually as well see there you go and 1223 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:09,560 that's what I was looking for and did 1224 00:58:14,860 --> 00:58:11,770 you see this is one of the things that 1225 00:58:16,849 --> 00:58:14,870 people who are researching UFOs need to 1226 00:58:18,999 --> 00:58:16,859 examine the 1227 00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:19,009 that a lot of these UFO sightings 1228 00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:21,569 there's connections they occur at the 1229 00:58:28,099 --> 00:58:24,329 same in the same year same month same 1230 00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:28,109 season and stuff so in other words 57 1231 00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:31,680 you saw a slew of sightings 59 they were 1232 00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:33,900 a bunch of site a whole bunch in the 1233 00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:36,299 early 60s there was a whole bunch there 1234 00:58:40,339 --> 00:58:38,220 were these waves at different times and 1235 00:58:43,210 --> 00:58:40,349 see how I quickly connected your 1236 00:58:45,739 --> 00:58:43,220 sighting to the one up at O'Hare yes and 1237 00:58:48,589 --> 00:58:45,749 isn't and so yeah this is the kind of 1238 00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,599 stuff we people who look at the UFO 1239 00:58:54,859 --> 00:58:50,960 phenomena need to pay attention to 1240 00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:54,869 because that corroborates it tends to 1241 00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,480 confirm your sighting because these 1242 00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:00,319 things were being seen elsewhere and a 1243 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:04,380 so anyway so now I think I'll jump right 1244 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:06,210 into the physics because yeah I've kind 1245 00:59:11,779 --> 00:59:08,970 of given the background we need and so 1246 00:59:14,180 --> 00:59:11,789 here it is and because I suddenly 1247 00:59:15,739 --> 00:59:14,190 realize we only have till nine ten 1248 00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:15,749 o'clock yeah and then we're gonna be 1249 00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:19,319 taking calls - so oh so I better go fast 1250 00:59:28,249 --> 00:59:25,559 okay and okay so anyway as people may be 1251 00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:28,259 aware the two pillars of modern physics 1252 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:30,059 are quantum mechanics and general 1253 00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:33,930 relativity and general relativity deals 1254 00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:36,900 with the world at the very large planets 1255 00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:40,380 stars solar systems Oh galaxies the 1256 00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,609 universe as a whole and a quantum 1257 00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:46,799 mechanics deals with the world of the 1258 00:59:53,539 --> 00:59:49,710 very small subatomic particles atoms 1259 00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:53,549 things like that quarks and protons 1260 01:00:04,359 --> 00:59:58,700 neutrons electrons and things and and so 1261 01:00:08,029 --> 01:00:04,369 and now it turns out that modern science 1262 01:00:12,729 --> 01:00:08,039 one of the big things in modern science 1263 01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:12,739 has been to come up with a theory that 1264 01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:15,480 unites all of the theories that are out 1265 01:00:23,450 --> 01:00:19,200 there and and and it's basically called 1266 01:00:26,059 --> 01:00:23,460 the tow t OE theory of everything and at 1267 01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:26,069 the big toe in it so it's easy to 1268 01:00:36,050 --> 01:00:30,720 remember and but anyway so 1269 01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:36,060 general activity um it came out in 1915 1270 01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:40,740 and then the quantum theory a Max Planck 1271 01:00:47,570 --> 01:00:44,700 came out with the with his ideas on the 1272 01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:47,580 the quanta back then and he and Einstein 1273 01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:50,940 worked on that and then by the nineteen 1274 01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:54,240 to mid 1920s they had come up with all 1275 01:01:00,609 --> 01:00:57,420 the basic rules and formulas of quantum 1276 01:01:04,070 --> 01:01:00,619 mechanics and then they later on they 1277 01:01:07,339 --> 01:01:04,080 they refined that much more in the years 1278 01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:07,349 after that but anyway one of the big 1279 01:01:14,180 --> 01:01:10,020 things kind of the holy grail of modern 1280 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:14,190 physics has been to try to unite the you 1281 01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:16,170 know the quantum theory with general 1282 01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,190 relativity and and the key thing that's 1283 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:23,040 going on i and and i do need to kind of 1284 01:01:28,339 --> 01:01:24,930 do a mention a little bit of physics 1285 01:01:31,250 --> 01:01:28,349 here which is very important we do need 1286 01:01:33,980 --> 01:01:31,260 to know the the structure the quantum 1287 01:01:38,620 --> 01:01:33,990 area of physics the structure of matter 1288 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:38,630 and the forces that act on matter so 1289 01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:40,890 basically everything is made up of 1290 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:43,470 either matter particles or force 1291 01:01:50,839 --> 01:01:47,730 particles acting on the stage of 1292 01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:50,849 space-time interacting on the space 1293 01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:54,510 stage of space-time and that's it that's 1294 01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:57,420 the whole universe we have space-time we 1295 01:02:02,960 --> 01:01:59,400 have matter particles we have force 1296 01:02:05,410 --> 01:02:02,970 particles and it gets easier than that 1297 01:02:11,329 --> 01:02:05,420 it turns out that there really are only 1298 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:11,339 a few primary matter particles there are 1299 01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:14,730 quarks and there are leptons and then 1300 01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,920 there and and that's it those are the 1301 01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:19,440 two basic families of matter particles 1302 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:23,430 and the quarks make up the protons and 1303 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:25,890 neutrons and mason's and particles like 1304 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:27,810 that but the most people are aware of 1305 01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,050 protons and neutrons and an atom and 1306 01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:32,880 leptons include like an electron and 1307 01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:35,880 neutrinos and that's it there's only 1308 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:39,780 really a few basic matter particles in 1309 01:02:44,570 --> 01:02:42,089 the universe that that that's it but 1310 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:44,580 they combine in many many different ways 1311 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:47,850 and I won't go into too much detail on 1312 01:02:51,050 --> 01:02:49,290 that because I think I don't want to 1313 01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:51,060 confuse the listenership and it's not 1314 01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:53,430 all that critical there's there's only 1315 01:02:59,960 --> 01:02:55,710 really two types of quarks and up quark 1316 01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:59,970 and a down court that make up 99% of all 1317 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:01,920 the matter in the universe and there's a 1318 01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:04,170 few other types of quarks out there but 1319 01:03:08,780 --> 01:03:06,540 they are higher energy versions of the 1320 01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:08,790 two basic ones and so there's an up 1321 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:11,640 quark a down court at an electron and 1322 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:13,650 neutrinos and that's that's all there is 1323 01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:16,650 to the four fundamental basic matter 1324 01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:19,560 particles that make up everything and on 1325 01:03:24,290 --> 01:03:21,660 the so those are the matter particles 1326 01:03:28,790 --> 01:03:24,300 and on the force particles again there's 1327 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:28,800 only four four four types of force 1328 01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:32,010 particles are there's four basic types 1329 01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,980 of forces there's the strong nuclear 1330 01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:37,440 force which acts only with inside the 1331 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:41,040 nucleus and it holds the nuclei together 1332 01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,450 and there's the weak nuclear force which 1333 01:03:49,460 --> 01:03:48,180 is responsible for radioactivity and I'm 1334 01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:49,470 and I'm going to be done with this real 1335 01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:50,940 quick I'm sorry I have to go into this 1336 01:03:57,380 --> 01:03:52,980 detail but it's important to the overall 1337 01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:57,390 thing and then there is electromagnetism 1338 01:04:03,620 --> 01:04:00,960 which everybody is familiar with of 1339 01:04:07,070 --> 01:04:03,630 photons carry the electromagnetic force 1340 01:04:09,230 --> 01:04:07,080 and then there's gravity which we are 1341 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:09,240 all very familiar with because when we 1342 01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:10,650 have to get up in the morning to go to 1343 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:13,520 work we all fight gravity 1344 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:16,770 until our first cup of coffee and so 1345 01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:21,290 anyway those are the four fundamental 1346 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:26,720 forces of nature and there is a fifth a 1347 01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:29,810 background field called the Higgs field 1348 01:04:37,850 --> 01:04:32,910 but I'll get to that in a second 1349 01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:37,860 but anyway the strong nuclear force 1350 01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:42,510 consists of the gluons that are that are 1351 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:45,180 exchanged this strong nuclear force the 1352 01:04:49,790 --> 01:04:47,370 weak nuclear force is W plus W minus Z 1353 01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:49,800 neutral electromagnetism is carried by 1354 01:04:54,670 --> 01:04:52,500 the photon and gravity and here's where 1355 01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:54,680 we're getting into important stuff 1356 01:04:59,930 --> 01:04:57,960 they've never seen this particle 1357 01:05:01,760 --> 01:04:59,940 but it's it's called the graviton and 1358 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:01,770 that's the particle that is believed to 1359 01:05:06,980 --> 01:05:05,130 carry the gravity force so so the 1360 01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,990 interesting thing is in physics what 1361 01:05:12,589 --> 01:05:09,119 they want to do is try to unite these 1362 01:05:16,070 --> 01:05:12,599 forces they have had success Martin with 1363 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:16,080 the three non gravity forces with the 1364 01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:17,490 strong nuclear force the weak nuclear 1365 01:05:25,730 --> 01:05:21,359 force and electromagnetism and they've 1366 01:05:29,380 --> 01:05:25,740 made some serious headway there for 1367 01:05:33,620 --> 01:05:31,670 electromagnetism with the weak nuclear 1368 01:05:36,829 --> 01:05:33,630 force and that's called the electroweak 1369 01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:36,839 force and so that's a major feather in 1370 01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:39,540 the cap of his physics modern physics 1371 01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:41,880 and they are working on theories that 1372 01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:44,400 unite the strong nuclear force with the 1373 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:46,740 electroweak force and that looks like 1374 01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,450 they you know they've been working on 1375 01:05:52,579 --> 01:05:50,400 that and then of course electromagnetism 1376 01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,589 it was once thought the electric and 1377 01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:54,720 magnetic forces were separate but James 1378 01:06:00,200 --> 01:05:57,330 Clerk Maxwell United them in his 1379 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:00,210 Maxwell's theories so they've made 1380 01:06:07,609 --> 01:06:03,450 significant progress in the none gravity 1381 01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:07,619 forces but so far they have not been 1382 01:06:14,780 --> 01:06:11,520 able to unite gravity with the other 1383 01:06:17,630 --> 01:06:14,790 three non gravity forces and so the 1384 01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:17,640 question is why not 1385 01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:21,000 and here's where it gets really 1386 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:22,980 interesting and this leads to an 1387 01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:25,650 explanation of the UFO phenomenon and 1388 01:06:32,030 --> 01:06:28,140 you'll see why okay here's where it gets 1389 01:06:36,530 --> 01:06:32,040 very exciting gravity it turns out the 1390 01:06:39,859 --> 01:06:36,540 gravity interaction is much much weaker 1391 01:06:42,620 --> 01:06:39,869 than the interaction of the other none 1392 01:06:44,540 --> 01:06:42,630 gravity forces typically and the other 1393 01:06:46,990 --> 01:06:44,550 forces are relatively close to each 1394 01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:47,000 other in terms of interaction strength 1395 01:06:55,730 --> 01:06:50,480 so for example the electromagnetic force 1396 01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:55,740 compared to gravity M is 10 to the 36th 1397 01:07:02,300 --> 01:06:58,859 power stronger than gravity Wow 1398 01:07:06,790 --> 01:07:02,310 and isn't that incredible and 35 eros 1399 01:07:10,070 --> 01:07:06,800 right exactly right 36 zeros after the 1 1400 01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:10,080 1 followed by 36 zeros I mean it's 1401 01:07:11,849 --> 01:07:11,310 absolutely staggering 1402 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:11,859 it's 1403 01:07:15,450 --> 01:07:13,210 I don't even what they call it a 1404 01:07:18,479 --> 01:07:15,460 googolplex or whatever Anna 1405 01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:18,489 I mean it's stunning and the same is 1406 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:20,710 true of the other forces of nature they 1407 01:07:29,849 --> 01:07:25,930 too are tremendously strong interaction 1408 01:07:32,579 --> 01:07:29,859 strength compared to gravity so and that 1409 01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:32,589 appears to be the reason why they can't 1410 01:07:40,099 --> 01:07:37,150 unite the non gravity forces with 1411 01:07:43,799 --> 01:07:40,109 gravity because they can't really get a 1412 01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:43,809 handle on the quantum aspects of gravity 1413 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:46,900 because of its obvious weakness and in 1414 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:49,210 fact this problem this discrepancy in 1415 01:07:55,499 --> 01:07:51,970 strength between the gravitational force 1416 01:07:58,259 --> 01:07:55,509 and the non gravity forces is is hasn't 1417 01:08:01,650 --> 01:07:58,269 is so important in physics and such a 1418 01:08:04,769 --> 01:08:01,660 big problem they it actually has a name 1419 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:04,779 it's called the hierarchy problem and 1420 01:08:13,170 --> 01:08:08,650 and so everybody listening should pay 1421 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:13,180 attention to that problem in physics the 1422 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:16,210 hierarchy problem and because that I 1423 01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,489 also believe is going to be the key to 1424 01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:21,279 solving the UFO phenomenon and we're 1425 01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:22,980 going to get to that real quick here and 1426 01:08:30,030 --> 01:08:28,000 so so anyway so over the years they've 1427 01:08:33,180 --> 01:08:30,040 been developing other theories to try to 1428 01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:33,190 bring things together and people have 1429 01:08:38,099 --> 01:08:37,060 probably heard of string theory I am 1430 01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:38,109 Orton I don't know if you've heard of 1431 01:08:43,410 --> 01:08:40,900 that yeah yeah okay string theory yeah 1432 01:08:46,220 --> 01:08:43,420 and and the whole idea behind string 1433 01:08:48,450 --> 01:08:46,230 theory is that it was once thought that 1434 01:08:51,209 --> 01:08:48,460 the subatomic particles were 1435 01:08:56,459 --> 01:08:51,219 infinitesimally tiny interment 1436 01:08:59,039 --> 01:08:56,469 dimensionless points and but now but 1437 01:09:01,769 --> 01:08:59,049 sometime oh I can't even remember when I 1438 01:09:05,539 --> 01:09:01,779 think it might have been back in the 70s 1439 01:09:08,579 --> 01:09:05,549 or something they began to realize that 1440 01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:08,589 the subatomic particles may not be 1441 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:11,109 dimensionless points but there might be 1442 01:09:17,099 --> 01:09:14,409 little wiggling strings in a and it was 1443 01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:17,109 an Italian physicist who first noticed 1444 01:09:21,930 --> 01:09:19,600 it and then a bunch of other physicists 1445 01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:21,940 around the world came up with theories 1446 01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:25,390 to explain why he's 1447 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:27,850 some peculiar math and some of the 1448 01:09:35,190 --> 01:09:30,850 accelerator experiments that we're doing 1449 01:09:37,350 --> 01:09:35,200 over in Switzerland and so a particle 1450 01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:37,360 accelerators where they smash subatomic 1451 01:09:43,890 --> 01:09:41,920 particles together so anyway they now 1452 01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:43,900 believe that the subatomic particles are 1453 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:47,260 made up of little tiny wiggling strings 1454 01:09:54,450 --> 01:09:51,730 and and and over the years different 1455 01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,460 theories have been developed but one of 1456 01:10:01,460 --> 01:09:57,520 the key ones is the idea that these are 1457 01:10:07,050 --> 01:10:01,470 the string is open has two open ends and 1458 01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:07,060 and so and then along with this theory 1459 01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,630 comes and other ideas that have to be 1460 01:10:15,690 --> 01:10:12,880 part of string theory because they're 1461 01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:15,700 they they came along with it and one of 1462 01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:19,030 the exciting ones is the idea of extra 1463 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:23,260 dimensions and this is the one that I 1464 01:10:29,550 --> 01:10:27,010 believe also places a literally critical 1465 01:10:34,590 --> 01:10:29,560 role in the UFO phenomenon as we will 1466 01:10:38,340 --> 01:10:34,600 see and so but still they they were they 1467 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:38,350 couldn't yet you know unite gravity with 1468 01:10:44,190 --> 01:10:40,330 a none gravity forces even with string 1469 01:10:47,790 --> 01:10:44,200 theory but then a long came right around 1470 01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:47,800 the early 2000s a new theory by a 1471 01:10:56,190 --> 01:10:52,110 Harvard physicist that came up with an 1472 01:10:58,380 --> 01:10:56,200 explanation for the hierarchy problem 1473 01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,390 and and what it's all about and 1474 01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:00,640 potentially how to unify the forces of 1475 01:11:06,030 --> 01:11:03,880 nature and okay and now everybody has to 1476 01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:06,040 pay attention because this I believe it 1477 01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:10,300 may end up pointing to how UFOs work and 1478 01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:14,110 a so this Harvard physicists along with 1479 01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:16,150 another physicist from John Hopkins 1480 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:19,110 University came up with the idea that 1481 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:22,930 well actually it was part of membrane 1482 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:24,930 theory which is part of string theory 1483 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:29,410 but they used string theory to develop 1484 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:31,210 an explanation of the hierarchy problem 1485 01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:35,050 the weakness of gravity and they came up 1486 01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,540 with this idea that maybe the universe 1487 01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:39,360 consists of 1488 01:11:44,540 --> 01:11:41,910 two membranes that are floating parallel 1489 01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:44,550 to each other and we live on one of 1490 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:48,320 those membranes and that membrane is the 1491 01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,130 four-dimensional universe that we're 1492 01:11:55,190 --> 01:11:52,800 used to and and when you go outside and 1493 01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:55,200 look up in the sky it's all part of that 1494 01:12:01,460 --> 01:11:58,800 four dimensional universe and it turns 1495 01:12:04,670 --> 01:12:01,470 out that string theory proposes that 1496 01:12:06,620 --> 01:12:04,680 there are actually you know people may 1497 01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,630 be aware that we live in a 1498 01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:08,480 four-dimensional universe physics 1499 01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:10,710 historically has been based on four 1500 01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:13,260 dimensions three of space and one of 1501 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:16,860 time but string theory proposes that we 1502 01:12:23,660 --> 01:12:20,250 may live in as up to as many as 11 1503 01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:23,670 dimensions isn't that incredible I'll 1504 01:12:31,850 --> 01:12:26,310 let any dimension say but range is that 1505 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:31,860 right every well brains are what they 1506 01:12:40,670 --> 01:12:36,450 tell you about that in a second and so 1507 01:12:43,790 --> 01:12:40,680 they think that that six of those eleven 1508 01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:43,800 dimensions are curled up at every point 1509 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:45,030 in space-time 1510 01:12:51,230 --> 01:12:49,770 so they don't play a direct role in what 1511 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:51,240 we're going to be talking about tonight 1512 01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,210 but that still leaves because four plus 1513 01:13:00,680 --> 01:12:57,600 seven makes eleven that still leaves one 1514 01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:00,690 extra larger dimension so that means 1515 01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:03,510 instead of four large dimensions three 1516 01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:06,960 of space and one of time Mankowski was 1517 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:08,310 the guy who came up with the idea that 1518 01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:10,650 time should be treated as a spatial 1519 01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:14,400 dimension and and so that means that 1520 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:19,710 there are five dimensions for of space 1521 01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:24,090 and one of time and and so this Harvard 1522 01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:26,520 got people the theory that they came up 1523 01:13:31,190 --> 01:13:29,280 with was that there would be the the 1524 01:13:33,710 --> 01:13:31,200 idea they came up with is that there are 1525 01:13:37,340 --> 01:13:33,720 two membranes floating side-by-side and 1526 01:13:40,460 --> 01:13:37,350 in the larger five dimensional universe 1527 01:13:42,830 --> 01:13:40,470 Anna and so we we live on one of these 1528 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:42,840 four-dimensional membranes and the other 1529 01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:45,570 parallel membrane is four dimensional as 1530 01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,510 well but in between and the both of 1531 01:13:53,130 --> 01:13:51,120 these membranes are floating in a larger 1532 01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:53,140 five dimensional universe 1533 01:14:02,840 --> 01:13:57,810 and and the theory they came up with 1534 01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:02,850 called warped geometry proposes that 1535 01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:05,679 that the gravitons that carry the 1536 01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:09,640 gravitational force unlike all the other 1537 01:14:16,770 --> 01:14:13,449 particles in that I just mentioned like 1538 01:14:20,340 --> 01:14:16,780 the photon and the and the quark and the 1539 01:14:22,979 --> 01:14:20,350 and the electron and stuff like that the 1540 01:14:26,189 --> 01:14:22,989 graviton is different all the other 1541 01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:26,199 particles have two open ends which the 1542 01:14:33,570 --> 01:14:29,020 this theory proposes the two open ends 1543 01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:33,580 are stuck on the membrane that we live 1544 01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:35,440 on which is referred to in their theory 1545 01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,239 as the weak membrane W e a K and then 1546 01:14:47,490 --> 01:14:42,400 the other membrane is referred to as the 1547 01:14:51,470 --> 01:14:47,500 Planck membrane and and it is warped in 1548 01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:51,480 such a way that it has tremendously 1549 01:15:00,090 --> 01:14:56,409 strong gravitational pull and and and so 1550 01:15:02,610 --> 01:15:00,100 here's the exciting thing it turns out 1551 01:15:06,180 --> 01:15:02,620 that the only particle in our universe 1552 01:15:08,610 --> 01:15:06,190 that is not an open-ended string that is 1553 01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:08,620 with its two ends stuck in our membrane 1554 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:11,199 what that means is that the photon for 1555 01:15:17,070 --> 01:15:13,690 example if the force particle that 1556 01:15:20,189 --> 01:15:17,080 carries the electromagnetic force can 1557 01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:20,199 travel only on our four-dimensional 1558 01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:22,510 membrane so that means that with our 1559 01:15:27,689 --> 01:15:25,239 eyes which we need to see the photons 1560 01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:27,699 hit the retina at the back of our eye we 1561 01:15:32,910 --> 01:15:30,400 cannot see that fifth dimension because 1562 01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:32,920 our photons are stuck on our membrane 1563 01:15:38,370 --> 01:15:35,679 and can't travel into that five 1564 01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:38,380 dimensional area which they refer to as 1565 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:43,480 the bulk bu LK and but the graviton is 1566 01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:46,810 the one exception to the rule instead of 1567 01:15:52,169 --> 01:15:49,270 being an open-ended string it's believed 1568 01:15:54,270 --> 01:15:52,179 to be a closed loop a closed string and 1569 01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:54,280 that means it's not stuck in our 1570 01:16:00,720 --> 01:15:56,770 membrane and that explains the hierarchy 1571 01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:00,730 problem what these physicists believe is 1572 01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:03,489 that the vast majority of gravitons in 1573 01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:06,890 the overall universe are attracted 1574 01:16:13,210 --> 01:16:10,310 the other plank membrane and so what 1575 01:16:16,570 --> 01:16:13,220 that means is that what's left on our in 1576 01:16:19,420 --> 01:16:16,580 our membrane is only a tiny percentage 1577 01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:19,430 of the total number of gravitons that 1578 01:16:24,370 --> 01:16:20,870 are actually out there in the universe 1579 01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:24,380 and that would explain why gravity is so 1580 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:26,510 weak in our universe our 1581 01:16:33,580 --> 01:16:29,090 four-dimensional weak membrane that they 1582 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:33,590 call it with witness also does this 1583 01:16:43,630 --> 01:16:39,530 theory explain the dark matter by chance 1584 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:43,640 oh that's that's a great question in 1585 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:48,290 fact it could easily the idea that the 1586 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:51,650 the other you know that the other 1587 01:16:56,770 --> 01:16:54,650 dimensions exist does suggest that that 1588 01:17:00,130 --> 01:16:56,780 could explain the matter that we don't 1589 01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:00,140 see because that matter is exerting its 1590 01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:04,400 force its gravitational force through 1591 01:17:12,670 --> 01:17:08,350 gravitons and so we are experiencing it 1592 01:17:14,710 --> 01:17:12,680 but it but we don't we can't see it 1593 01:17:18,190 --> 01:17:14,720 because the photons that we need to see 1594 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:18,200 with they cannot penetrate that bulk so 1595 01:17:23,170 --> 01:17:20,570 that's exact I've had that question many 1596 01:17:25,660 --> 01:17:23,180 times before and I've pointed that out 1597 01:17:28,090 --> 01:17:25,670 that that would explain why astronomers 1598 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:28,100 cannot locate this missing matter 1599 01:17:32,410 --> 01:17:31,010 because it's beyond our telescopes it we 1600 01:17:34,900 --> 01:17:32,420 can't see it it's in the other other 1601 01:17:37,090 --> 01:17:34,910 dimensions but going back to the idea 1602 01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:37,100 the hierarchy problem appears to be 1603 01:17:43,420 --> 01:17:40,880 solved by the fact that all these 1604 01:17:45,610 --> 01:17:43,430 gravitons are much close they all want 1605 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:45,620 to go toward the gravity brain the meta 1606 01:17:52,180 --> 01:17:47,810 the Planck membrane the other parallel 1607 01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:52,190 membrane so so what happens is according 1608 01:17:57,340 --> 01:17:54,710 to this theory the deeper you go into 1609 01:17:59,950 --> 01:17:57,350 the bulk the stronger gravity gets until 1610 01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,960 it reaches its maximum strength right at 1611 01:18:06,190 --> 01:18:02,000 the surface of the Planck membrane and 1612 01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:06,200 and so and it goes up by a factor of 10 1613 01:18:14,590 --> 01:18:11,030 to the 16 power and so the second I saw 1614 01:18:16,660 --> 01:18:14,600 this theory Martin I realized that could 1615 01:18:19,869 --> 01:18:16,670 explain how UFOs get to planet Earth 1616 01:18:21,939 --> 01:18:19,879 quickly here's how 1617 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:21,949 and this is the key to the whole thing 1618 01:18:28,609 --> 01:18:25,050 general relativity says where gravity is 1619 01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:28,619 strong distances shrink and so if you 1620 01:18:33,129 --> 01:18:31,110 could get make a spaceship that could 1621 01:18:36,169 --> 01:18:33,139 leave our membrane and go into the bulk 1622 01:18:39,739 --> 01:18:36,179 then you could potentially travel to 1623 01:18:42,739 --> 01:18:39,749 other stars and you don't need the you 1624 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:42,749 don't need enormous amounts of energy to 1625 01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:45,570 warp space-time because Mother Nature 1626 01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:49,110 has already warped it for you do you see 1627 01:18:54,859 --> 01:18:51,449 that was the problem with the AL khabiri 1628 01:18:58,489 --> 01:18:54,869 work theory so here's the the exciting 1629 01:19:00,529 --> 01:18:58,499 part I did a quick calculation and I 1630 01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:00,539 realized if it goes up by 10 to the 16 1631 01:19:04,699 --> 01:19:03,510 power Alpha Centauri is 25 trillion 1632 01:19:08,839 --> 01:19:04,709 miles from Planet Earth 1633 01:19:10,909 --> 01:19:08,849 Anna and it occurred to me that I could 1634 01:19:14,569 --> 01:19:10,919 calculate how much the distance would 1635 01:19:18,139 --> 01:19:14,579 shrink by how far you go into the bulk 1636 01:19:20,649 --> 01:19:18,149 so because it goes up exponentially so I 1637 01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:20,659 did a quick calculation and and I 1638 01:19:26,389 --> 01:19:24,329 determined that you only have to go into 1639 01:19:29,419 --> 01:19:26,399 this bulk the space between the 1640 01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:29,429 membranes to where gravity gets to only 1641 01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:33,090 one ten-thousandth of its maximum 1642 01:19:39,379 --> 01:19:36,239 strength okay and when you get just to 1643 01:19:41,540 --> 01:19:39,389 that point the distance between Alpha 1644 01:19:46,689 --> 01:19:41,550 Centauri and Planet Earth 1645 01:19:51,049 --> 01:19:46,699 shrinks from 25 trillion miles to just 1646 01:19:53,869 --> 01:19:51,059 25 miles you could jump into your car 1647 01:19:56,209 --> 01:19:53,879 and drive to Alpha Centauri in half an 1648 01:20:00,319 --> 01:19:56,219 hour depending on the speed limit in the 1649 01:20:04,459 --> 01:20:00,329 bulk and and the traffic put in the 1650 01:20:06,259 --> 01:20:04,469 Galactic police and and isn't that 1651 01:20:08,949 --> 01:20:06,269 incredible and that's what I think these 1652 01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:08,959 UFOs are doing and I think that's why 1653 01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:11,820 remember I earlier I had emphasized the 1654 01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:14,489 disappearing UFOs I believe they are 1655 01:20:19,339 --> 01:20:17,369 pushing they're just literally pulling 1656 01:20:21,469 --> 01:20:19,349 themselves off our membrane going 1657 01:20:23,540 --> 01:20:21,479 partway into the bulk and traveling a 1658 01:20:25,250 --> 01:20:23,550 little ways here and there you know and 1659 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:25,260 then and they can shorten the distance 1660 01:20:29,839 --> 01:20:28,050 and isn't that as that's what it that's 1661 01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:29,849 what I think they're doing well what 1662 01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:33,360 about the hundred G's 1663 01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:35,260 that I'm glad you asked that question 1664 01:20:39,930 --> 01:20:36,880 because that comes next 1665 01:20:43,109 --> 01:20:39,940 and that's and now the question is how 1666 01:20:45,629 --> 01:20:43,119 do these guys get how do they how do 1667 01:20:48,750 --> 01:20:45,639 ufos levitate because thats related to 1668 01:20:51,810 --> 01:20:48,760 the g's and uh and how do they get into 1669 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:51,820 the bulk and and and accelerate at 1670 01:20:55,609 --> 01:20:54,730 blinding speeds well i think this is how 1671 01:20:59,729 --> 01:20:55,619 they do it 1672 01:21:01,859 --> 01:20:59,739 if these extra dimensions exist they are 1673 01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:01,869 looking for these extra dimensions at 1674 01:21:07,890 --> 01:21:05,170 the Large Hadron Collider particle 1675 01:21:13,020 --> 01:21:07,900 accelerator over in Geneva Switzerland 1676 01:21:15,780 --> 01:21:13,030 and and they if they do find these extra 1677 01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:15,790 dimensions the signal that they will get 1678 01:21:21,629 --> 01:21:18,310 will be the existence of particles that 1679 01:21:23,790 --> 01:21:21,639 can only exist if extra dimensions exist 1680 01:21:27,109 --> 01:21:23,800 and these are referred to as k k 1681 01:21:30,780 --> 01:21:27,119 particle oosa klein particles and and 1682 01:21:32,729 --> 01:21:30,790 shortin abbreviated as k k particles 1683 01:21:35,939 --> 01:21:32,739 named after a couple of physicists 1684 01:21:41,310 --> 01:21:35,949 Theodor Kaluza lived in königsberg 1685 01:21:43,260 --> 01:21:41,320 Germany and and the other guy Klein ask 1686 01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:43,270 Oscar client I think that was his name 1687 01:21:48,959 --> 01:21:46,690 lived in Sweden I think you know and 1688 01:21:52,020 --> 01:21:48,969 these guys came up with this idea of 1689 01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:52,030 extra dimensions way back then but they 1690 01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:53,650 but at that time they didn't know about 1691 01:22:00,540 --> 01:21:58,570 string theory and but so the idea of 1692 01:22:03,149 --> 01:22:00,550 extra dimensions has been around in the 1693 01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,159 scientific community before but now it's 1694 01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:06,159 backed up by pretty good science so far 1695 01:22:11,939 --> 01:22:08,830 although there's still it hasn't been 1696 01:22:13,410 --> 01:22:11,949 proved yet but anyway the the 1697 01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:13,420 interesting thing about these KK 1698 01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:16,150 particles once they produce them at the 1699 01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:18,130 Large Hadron Collider particle 1700 01:22:22,979 --> 01:22:20,489 accelerator over in Geneva Switzerland 1701 01:22:24,839 --> 01:22:22,989 they will know they produce them because 1702 01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:24,849 they're going to disappear very quickly 1703 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:28,239 into the bulk because their home is in 1704 01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:29,650 the bulk that's where they want to be 1705 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:33,489 and and just like et the movie Extra 1706 01:22:39,180 --> 01:22:36,489 Terrestrial he wanted to go home well 1707 01:22:41,070 --> 01:22:39,190 the KK particles want to go home too so 1708 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:41,080 I thought hey wait a minute if that's 1709 01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:45,130 the case maybe if the UFO could shroud 1710 01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:46,420 itself in these 1711 01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:49,270 particles they would pull it off into 1712 01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:53,380 the bulk Anna and so that's how they 1713 01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:57,520 might do it and and then I realized 1714 01:23:01,640 --> 01:22:58,239 something else 1715 01:23:05,370 --> 01:23:01,650 these kk different types of KK particles 1716 01:23:08,430 --> 01:23:05,380 at the end and the KK exist or are 1717 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:08,440 believed to be exist and if the extra 1718 01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:11,650 dimensions are real the KK particles 1719 01:23:20,750 --> 01:23:13,810 when you produce enough of them they 1720 01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:20,760 will produce micro black holes okay now 1721 01:23:26,729 --> 01:23:23,290 what's what's interesting about a micro 1722 01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:26,739 black hole is this a micro black hole 1723 01:23:32,610 --> 01:23:30,880 can swallow particles that are going at 1724 01:23:34,979 --> 01:23:32,620 even those going at the speed of light 1725 01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:34,989 and a it doesn't actually swallow them 1726 01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:37,449 what it actually does is they end up a 1727 01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:39,910 light ray would actually end up in a 1728 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:42,250 tight orbit around a micro black hole it 1729 01:23:47,580 --> 01:23:45,010 just couldn't escape that orbit the the 1730 01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:47,590 space-time is so crunched there that 1731 01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,530 it's it's stuck in an orbit there but 1732 01:23:54,930 --> 01:23:52,960 it's effectively as if the photon has 1733 01:23:57,300 --> 01:23:54,940 been swallowed and that's why they call 1734 01:24:00,360 --> 01:23:57,310 them black holes because light 1735 01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:00,370 disappears you know and so light can't 1736 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:03,190 escape from a black hole but by the same 1737 01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:06,610 token gravitons which also go at the 1738 01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:08,590 speed of light there may massless 1739 01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:12,370 particles they too cannot escape a black 1740 01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:12,910 hole 1741 01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:16,000 so they to end up being swallowed by a 1742 01:24:22,820 --> 01:24:19,199 black hole and it don't tell me that huh 1743 01:24:25,939 --> 01:24:22,830 that's maybe what these UFOs are doing 1744 01:24:29,220 --> 01:24:25,949 what they're doing is they basically 1745 01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:29,230 what they do is there's and now remember 1746 01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:33,040 on our 4d membrane the the weak membrane 1747 01:24:39,689 --> 01:24:35,679 our universe the amount of gravitons per 1748 01:24:42,270 --> 01:24:39,699 square meter is tiny compared to further 1749 01:24:44,610 --> 01:24:42,280 into the bulk it's very very small so 1750 01:24:46,050 --> 01:24:44,620 what these UFOs must may be doing and 1751 01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:46,060 this is what I think they're doing is 1752 01:24:53,220 --> 01:24:48,489 they're creating these micro black holes 1753 01:24:56,340 --> 01:24:53,230 that swallow gravitons so then as far as 1754 01:24:59,880 --> 01:24:56,350 the earth is concerned it doesn't see a 1755 01:25:00,370 --> 01:24:59,890 20-ton UFO it sees the UFO that weighs 1756 01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:00,380 May 1757 01:25:08,350 --> 01:25:04,450 be the weight of a bullet do you see and 1758 01:25:11,410 --> 01:25:08,360 then that explains how they overcome 1759 01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:11,420 inertia as far as the earth is concerned 1760 01:25:18,430 --> 01:25:13,730 and as far as machs principle is 1761 01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:18,440 concerned the larger universe it doesn't 1762 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:22,460 machs principle the inertial force does 1763 01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:26,210 not see a 20-ton UFO it only sees 1764 01:25:32,770 --> 01:25:29,050 something that they reduced to some a 1765 01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:32,780 small weight maybe a pound or six ounces 1766 01:25:39,010 --> 01:25:36,800 or whatever and and and then what ends 1767 01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:39,020 up happening is they can accelerate like 1768 01:25:43,420 --> 01:25:41,810 a bullet in a a hundred G's and that's 1769 01:25:46,690 --> 01:25:43,430 how they're doing it and I think that's 1770 01:25:50,650 --> 01:25:46,700 exactly what they're doing and and since 1771 01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:50,660 in Einstein the key to Einstein's 1772 01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:52,940 general activity at the heart of his 1773 01:25:57,070 --> 01:25:54,710 theory of general relativity of gravity 1774 01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:57,080 is the is the so called equivalence 1775 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:01,120 principle that inertial mass equals 1776 01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:03,290 gravitational mass okay 1777 01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,520 so so if you're able to reduce the 1778 01:26:13,540 --> 01:26:10,400 gravitational mass of an object then you 1779 01:26:15,730 --> 01:26:13,550 also reduce the inertial mass it's only 1780 01:26:18,370 --> 01:26:15,740 a postulate it hasn't been totally 1781 01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,380 proven but nobody has ever found any 1782 01:26:23,380 --> 01:26:20,320 deviation as far as I know 1783 01:26:25,210 --> 01:26:23,390 so although by the way scientists even 1784 01:26:29,230 --> 01:26:25,220 to this day are looking for deviations 1785 01:26:31,930 --> 01:26:29,240 to the to the equivalence principle of 1786 01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,940 general relativity and so I think that's 1787 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:33,440 basically what they're doing there 1788 01:26:39,820 --> 01:26:36,050 they're not actually reducing the mass 1789 01:26:43,390 --> 01:26:39,830 they're effectively reducing the mass 1790 01:26:45,820 --> 01:26:43,400 that is their effect you know the mass 1791 01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:45,830 is still there but as far as the outside 1792 01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:47,810 world is concerned they don't see it 1793 01:26:54,610 --> 01:26:50,800 Anna and in particular machs principle 1794 01:26:57,490 --> 01:26:54,620 it marks universe doesn't see that 1795 01:27:02,170 --> 01:26:57,500 20-ton mass it sees only a much lighter 1796 01:27:05,620 --> 01:27:02,180 object you know and so that's what I 1797 01:27:07,660 --> 01:27:05,630 think they're doing Anna and and so that 1798 01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:07,670 explains how they can accelerate it also 1799 01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:09,410 explains how they go into the bulk and 1800 01:27:13,859 --> 01:27:12,800 travel to our planet you got the whole 1801 01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:13,869 thing 1802 01:27:18,929 --> 01:27:17,199 into one technology and that's what I 1803 01:27:24,330 --> 01:27:18,939 think is happening what type of a 1804 01:27:26,609 --> 01:27:24,340 machinery or equipment could do those 1805 01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:26,619 type of things I mean have you looked at 1806 01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:28,510 have you thought about that type that 1807 01:27:36,469 --> 01:27:31,360 part of apps absolutely and it also 1808 01:27:42,509 --> 01:27:36,479 explains why UFOs have certain shapes 1809 01:27:46,049 --> 01:27:42,519 it's because in order to create KK 1810 01:27:48,509 --> 01:27:46,059 gravitas and micro black holes they are 1811 01:27:51,179 --> 01:27:48,519 doing it in particle accelerators what's 1812 01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:51,189 the shape of a particle accelerator well 1813 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:53,590 circular but not all UFOs are circular 1814 01:27:56,909 --> 01:27:54,610 though ah 1815 01:27:58,529 --> 01:27:56,919 they are triangular there is the water 1816 01:28:00,479 --> 01:27:58,539 exactly that's correct 1817 01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:00,489 but if you look at the on the picture of 1818 01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:02,050 my book there at the front page take a 1819 01:28:09,179 --> 01:28:04,570 look yeah what do you see in the corners 1820 01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:09,189 of the UFO three bright circles right 1821 01:28:13,319 --> 01:28:11,409 yeah and I think that's where the 1822 01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:13,329 accelerators are on the triangle ones 1823 01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:16,719 and in the middle two in a see ya and 1824 01:28:21,299 --> 01:28:19,289 notice notice that's where the glow is 1825 01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:21,309 yep that's where the particle 1826 01:28:25,379 --> 01:28:23,409 accelerators are well you know about 1827 01:28:29,009 --> 01:28:25,389 that that picture this picture in 1828 01:28:31,859 --> 01:28:29,019 particular right I just two of them one 1829 01:28:34,259 --> 01:28:31,869 was proven to be fraudulent yeah and but 1830 01:28:36,509 --> 01:28:34,269 this is not that one I had both of them 1831 01:28:39,869 --> 01:28:36,519 book if you look at the pictured page 1832 01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:39,879 yeah one I just I put this one on the 1833 01:28:45,239 --> 01:28:42,729 front page because it was actually a 1834 01:28:48,569 --> 01:28:45,249 photographer who identified himself but 1835 01:28:49,889 --> 01:28:48,579 the other one I decided to put inside 1836 01:28:52,169 --> 01:28:49,899 the book because it looked different 1837 01:28:55,139 --> 01:28:52,179 than the one on the front cover it's 1838 01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:55,149 kind of squatter and and I was puzzled 1839 01:28:59,159 --> 01:28:56,800 why it looked different if they're both 1840 01:29:01,469 --> 01:28:59,169 in Belgium and then I found out later 1841 01:29:04,889 --> 01:29:01,479 that the guy faked the picture with a 1842 01:29:07,979 --> 01:29:04,899 Styrofoam model so Leslie Kean Leslie 1843 01:29:13,229 --> 01:29:07,989 Kane told me about that too but I should 1844 01:29:14,909 --> 01:29:13,239 we both by the way you know I did avoid 1845 01:29:18,989 --> 01:29:14,919 putting it on the cover and I thank God 1846 01:29:21,239 --> 01:29:18,999 I did because I because I I saw that 1847 01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:21,249 there was no name given by the 1848 01:29:28,350 --> 01:29:24,369 photographer this is back in 2011-12 I 1849 01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:28,360 mean when I wrote the book and so when 1850 01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:30,910 saw that I thought gee I better not put 1851 01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:32,170 that on the cover in case it's 1852 01:29:39,930 --> 01:29:36,210 eventually proven to be fake yeah right 1853 01:29:43,470 --> 01:29:39,940 you know can we I just want to say this 1854 01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:43,480 um why don't we uh why don't we take 1855 01:29:47,010 --> 01:29:45,310 some calls I mean I I do have some 1856 01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:47,020 questions good to have some questions 1857 01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:48,760 and chat come in and I can always take 1858 01:29:53,190 --> 01:29:50,860 give you some of those questions but 1859 01:29:54,540 --> 01:29:53,200 seems like there's a lot of activity in 1860 01:29:56,970 --> 01:29:54,550 the chat room and people are listening 1861 01:30:00,060 --> 01:29:56,980 so all you have to do is look at the 1862 01:30:01,530 --> 01:30:00,070 YouTube video and you will see the call 1863 01:30:03,420 --> 01:30:01,540 number there I'll give it out one time 1864 01:30:05,310 --> 01:30:03,430 but just keep in mind for anyone 1865 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:05,320 listening later that's only a lot the 1866 01:30:11,460 --> 01:30:07,930 only time that call line is ever active 1867 01:30:14,370 --> 01:30:11,470 is during the show only so the live show 1868 01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:14,380 and saw that number six oh three nine 1869 01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:18,250 six seven four zero three zero so if a 1870 01:30:22,290 --> 01:30:20,530 call comes in generally what I do is 1871 01:30:23,730 --> 01:30:22,300 I'll answer it and the person had just 1872 01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:23,740 has to wait until we get a break where 1873 01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:25,210 they can talk so I may have to 1874 01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:27,970 I may have to interrupt you if if you're 1875 01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,110 right in the middle of something a 1876 01:30:34,260 --> 01:30:30,880 little bit so if anyone wants to call in 1877 01:30:36,270 --> 01:30:34,270 ask I ask a really good question tonight 1878 01:30:39,630 --> 01:30:36,280 I'd appreciate it in you're welcome to 1879 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:39,640 call in for now I'm just going to tell 1880 01:30:44,540 --> 01:30:41,890 you one of the questions someone asked 1881 01:30:46,590 --> 01:30:44,550 your theory relies on theoretical 1882 01:30:49,140 --> 01:30:46,600 gravitation producing miniature black 1883 01:30:51,810 --> 01:30:49,150 holes but to prove their existence 1884 01:30:54,930 --> 01:30:51,820 requires CERN which is 16 miles in 1885 01:30:58,860 --> 01:30:54,940 diameter does the UFO need to be that 1886 01:31:02,660 --> 01:30:58,870 size no that's a real good question and 1887 01:31:04,650 --> 01:31:02,670 I often get it actually and I know 1888 01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:04,660 people have probably heard of the 1889 01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:08,320 physicist Michio Kaku yeah okay aku I 1890 01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:10,960 think he's down at New York University 1891 01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:14,080 and he's on TV quite a bit he's done a 1892 01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:17,190 lot of science shows but he talks about 1893 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:19,990 the technology behind particle 1894 01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:22,090 accelerators is getting better and 1895 01:31:30,270 --> 01:31:26,560 better over the years and and this check 1896 01:31:32,010 --> 01:31:30,280 oh I think we got a call technology is 1897 01:31:33,690 --> 01:31:32,020 there gonna be building tabletop 1898 01:31:36,540 --> 01:31:33,700 accelerators in the not-too-distant 1899 01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:36,550 future oh wow how about that so we do 1900 01:31:39,780 --> 01:31:38,530 have a solid on the line so just make 1901 01:31:41,460 --> 01:31:39,790 sure you turn your volume down a little 1902 01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:41,470 bit I'll call you your first name and 1903 01:31:45,150 --> 01:31:42,130 where are 1904 01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:45,160 you calling from hey so David from New 1905 01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:48,070 York - hi David now welcome to the sails 1906 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:50,170 I stood thanks 1907 01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:51,970 just a quick question just wondering 1908 01:31:57,690 --> 01:31:56,170 would this produce any heat because of 1909 01:31:59,970 --> 01:31:57,700 the recent videos you can see them 1910 01:32:03,800 --> 01:31:59,980 flying cold on the IR so it's one thing 1911 01:32:06,660 --> 01:32:03,810 to know that innovation wrong I think 1912 01:32:10,350 --> 01:32:06,670 David that's a real good question 1913 01:32:12,380 --> 01:32:10,360 I believe that micro black holes when 1914 01:32:16,140 --> 01:32:12,390 they decay and they decay very rapidly 1915 01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:16,150 will produce Hawking radiation and so 1916 01:32:24,420 --> 01:32:19,030 there will be radiation from these craft 1917 01:32:26,700 --> 01:32:24,430 however the there's a question of what 1918 01:32:29,550 --> 01:32:26,710 this strong gravity field the KK 1919 01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:29,560 gravitons create a very intense and 1920 01:32:33,090 --> 01:32:31,120 oddly enough this is something I forgot 1921 01:32:35,940 --> 01:32:33,100 to mention at the beginning of the show 1922 01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:35,950 one of the characteristics of UFOs is 1923 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:38,260 when they get very close to the ground 1924 01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:40,570 they often pick objects up from the 1925 01:32:47,010 --> 01:32:44,130 ground and and that's a puzzle that as 1926 01:32:48,750 --> 01:32:47,020 you know perplex people for a long time 1927 01:32:50,670 --> 01:32:48,760 because if they're using anti 1928 01:32:53,370 --> 01:32:50,680 anti-gravity you would assume them to be 1929 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:53,380 pushing things away however it would be 1930 01:32:57,870 --> 01:32:55,570 it would be explained by take a 1931 01:33:00,240 --> 01:32:57,880 gravitons which have a very strong 1932 01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:00,250 gravitational field but it but here's 1933 01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:02,800 the key KK gravitons have mass so 1934 01:33:10,140 --> 01:33:06,070 they're their gravitational field is 1935 01:33:13,230 --> 01:33:10,150 very short-range and so that would 1936 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:13,240 explain why when the own the UFO would 1937 01:33:16,260 --> 01:33:15,610 only have that effect when it got closer 1938 01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:16,270 to the ground 1939 01:33:25,260 --> 01:33:23,910 California and Death Valley and you 1940 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:25,270 might be able to look this up on the 1941 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:28,450 internet where some guys that were 1942 01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:30,850 working at a hotel out there I'm not 1943 01:33:35,550 --> 01:33:32,650 sure why they'd have a hotel in Death 1944 01:33:38,340 --> 01:33:35,560 Valley and but maybe it was on the edge 1945 01:33:41,220 --> 01:33:38,350 of Death Valley but anyway they were 1946 01:33:47,550 --> 01:33:41,230 walking home one evening and they 1947 01:33:49,410 --> 01:33:47,560 observed a spherical UFO that was close 1948 01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,420 to the ground and then it suddenly 1949 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:51,760 started rising up and as it rose up it 1950 01:33:54,540 --> 01:33:54,010 picked up a whole bunch of rocks that 1951 01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:54,550 were 1952 01:34:00,839 --> 01:33:57,730 swirling around below it as it rose up 1953 01:34:03,330 --> 01:34:00,849 in the sky and and the thing was glowing 1954 01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:03,340 as it rose up and then it got up to 1955 01:34:08,220 --> 01:34:05,679 maybe a couple hundred feet and the 1956 01:34:11,129 --> 01:34:08,230 light blinked off momentarily and all 1957 01:34:12,569 --> 01:34:11,139 the rocks came cascading down and and 1958 01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:12,579 then the light blinked back on and the 1959 01:34:17,879 --> 01:34:16,239 thing took off so I think what so I 1960 01:34:21,780 --> 01:34:17,889 think they're producing a short-range 1961 01:34:23,459 --> 01:34:21,790 gravitational field which may trap a lot 1962 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:23,469 of the radiation that's produced by the 1963 01:34:31,620 --> 01:34:29,770 UFO and and so that could be why I think 1964 01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:31,630 you had mentioned earlier that they 1965 01:34:36,780 --> 01:34:33,730 didn't see a heat signature from the 1966 01:34:39,839 --> 01:34:36,790 right it was either black on the IR yes 1967 01:34:43,799 --> 01:34:39,849 yeah and that's quite interesting but I 1968 01:34:48,209 --> 01:34:43,809 do believe at times they do crank out 1969 01:34:51,589 --> 01:34:48,219 quite a bit of radiation maybe you know 1970 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:51,599 for various you know reasons so yeah 1971 01:34:59,129 --> 01:34:56,010 like so like I know that there was a guy 1972 01:35:03,149 --> 01:34:59,139 it was a terrible story it might have 1973 01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:03,159 been back in the 70s where a guy was in 1974 01:35:09,149 --> 01:35:06,190 his house and he observed a UFO a 1975 01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:09,159 typical disc shape one hovering over it 1976 01:35:16,049 --> 01:35:13,119 further back in his backyard so he got 1977 01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:16,059 so excited you ran outside and he ran 1978 01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:25,770 all the Manitoba oh that was some 1979 01:35:31,919 --> 01:35:28,239 Stephen Michalak or Mitchell leg or 1980 01:35:33,450 --> 01:35:31,929 whatever up Falcon Lake yeah but the 1981 01:35:35,339 --> 01:35:33,460 Bret was something later 1982 01:35:37,169 --> 01:35:35,349 yeah this wasn't that one this was a 1983 01:35:38,459 --> 01:35:37,179 different one I think it was up in 1984 01:35:42,660 --> 01:35:38,469 Chicago area 1985 01:35:47,310 --> 01:35:42,670 and the guy ran under the UFO and the 1986 01:35:49,890 --> 01:35:47,320 UFO his wife came running out and she 1987 01:35:52,319 --> 01:35:49,900 saw him under the UFO and then she said 1988 01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:52,329 the UFO kind of wobbled a little bit and 1989 01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:54,820 then seemed to try to get over the 1990 01:35:58,919 --> 01:35:57,250 garage which was right near the guy and 1991 01:36:01,709 --> 01:35:58,929 get away from the guy and then it 1992 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:01,719 quickly took off and uh and it appeared 1993 01:36:06,990 --> 01:36:04,570 that the UFO you know operators were 1994 01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:07,000 apparently surprised when the guy ran 1995 01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:07,630 under it 1996 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:10,690 and so the guy came back in and this is 1997 01:36:16,670 --> 01:36:14,770 an unfortunate sad story he came back in 1998 01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:16,680 and he complained of feeling very 1999 01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:19,990 overheated and everything so they took 2000 01:36:25,410 --> 01:36:22,960 him to the hospital and he died and it 2001 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:25,420 and they said that his internal organs 2002 01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:27,610 were cooked as if he had been in a 2003 01:36:34,290 --> 01:36:31,570 microwave yeah so they knew at least it 2004 01:36:37,230 --> 01:36:34,300 relatively close they may have some heat 2005 01:36:39,090 --> 01:36:37,240 you know some serious radiation but of 2006 01:36:41,570 --> 01:36:39,100 course don't forget - the thing is 2007 01:36:43,860 --> 01:36:41,580 levitating and I believe they do have 2008 01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:43,870 action-reaction engines even though they 2009 01:36:46,830 --> 01:36:45,550 were able to reduce their weight they 2010 01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:46,840 don't want to reduce it down to absolute 2011 01:36:54,030 --> 01:36:49,810 zero they maintain a certain amount of 2012 01:36:56,190 --> 01:36:54,040 weight for for control purposes and so 2013 01:36:58,140 --> 01:36:56,200 they have to have a thrust of some time 2014 01:37:01,080 --> 01:36:58,150 and these particles might have been the 2015 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:01,090 microwave particles are the photons at 2016 01:37:09,210 --> 01:37:06,010 microwave wavelengths that cook this 2017 01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:09,220 poor guy you know and so there was an 2018 01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:12,280 incident there was an incident in Frank 2019 01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:14,650 Edwards book where he mentioned two 2020 01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:16,810 pilots flying over some part of New York 2021 01:37:23,070 --> 01:37:21,130 and they encountered a UFO that blasted 2022 01:37:24,420 --> 01:37:23,080 them when some sort of heat and turned 2023 01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:24,430 off their planes and they ended up 2024 01:37:29,130 --> 01:37:27,250 crashing killing them you know person in 2025 01:37:31,410 --> 01:37:29,140 the car and smashing into a home I 2026 01:37:34,620 --> 01:37:31,420 remember that story David 2027 01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:34,630 it happened in upstate New York and it 2028 01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:37,210 was it was a single plane and it killed 2029 01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,170 people on the ground 2030 01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:40,000 I think the pilots yelled out I think 2031 01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:42,490 you said that yeah it did yeah but 2032 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:44,290 unfortunately it killed some people on 2033 01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,290 the ground and I think but I think that 2034 01:37:52,980 --> 01:37:49,600 was a directed weapon and probably some 2035 01:37:53,700 --> 01:37:52,990 kind of maize or something laser maze or 2036 01:37:55,740 --> 01:37:53,710 something like that 2037 01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:55,750 were they but they probably used 2038 01:38:00,000 --> 01:37:58,090 infrared and energy and they were just 2039 01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:00,010 discouraging the pilots from getting too 2040 01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:02,290 close but it had an unfortunate 2041 01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:06,610 consequence you know yeah as you can see 2042 01:38:14,700 --> 01:38:11,730 I kind of know that UFOs do do you - 2043 01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:14,710 David thank you and reading a lot thank 2044 01:38:21,150 --> 01:38:18,070 you so much for the call all right all 2045 01:38:23,850 --> 01:38:21,160 right bye all right so just to let the 2046 01:38:26,460 --> 01:38:23,860 colors know when you call in what 2047 01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:26,470 happens is I'll answer and you'll just 2048 01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:28,510 hear the whole show going and please 2049 01:38:34,170 --> 01:38:31,600 have your your computer down so it's not 2050 01:38:37,020 --> 01:38:34,180 you know feeding back so because we just 2051 01:38:39,930 --> 01:38:37,030 we had a caller on there to go next and 2052 01:38:41,370 --> 01:38:39,940 they hung up so just hang in once you 2053 01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:41,380 call in I will answer your call and 2054 01:38:45,900 --> 01:38:43,600 you'll just be live on the show until I 2055 01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:45,910 can introduce you so if anyone wants to 2056 01:38:51,210 --> 01:38:48,370 call back in that number is up on the 2057 01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:51,220 screen here's another question that came 2058 01:38:57,660 --> 01:38:55,330 in okay let's see how did you get into 2059 01:39:02,490 --> 01:38:57,670 theoretical physics given your corporate 2060 01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:02,500 background I as I had actually mentioned 2061 01:39:08,090 --> 01:39:06,010 much earlier I always I come from a 2062 01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:08,100 family of scientists and engineers and 2063 01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:11,920 and I it's kind of in my blood and then 2064 01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:15,360 and I love it I mean it's kind of like 2065 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:18,370 for relaxation when my wife is driving 2066 01:39:24,090 --> 01:39:20,890 the car I'll crank I'll crack open a 2067 01:39:32,610 --> 01:39:24,100 physics book and it's better than a beer 2068 01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:32,620 yeah and so even though I worked in the 2069 01:39:37,710 --> 01:39:35,560 corporate world I should also mention in 2070 01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,720 college I have a degree in math and a 2071 01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:39,520 degree in aerospace engineering I 2072 01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:41,920 originally really wanted to end up at 2073 01:39:46,710 --> 01:39:44,200 NASA building Rockets there's something 2074 01:39:51,870 --> 01:39:46,720 like that and this is way back in the 2075 01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:51,880 70s but by this early 70s NASA was 2076 01:39:56,940 --> 01:39:54,400 having budgetary cuts and I realized the 2077 01:39:59,610 --> 01:39:56,950 chances of a you know a career there 2078 01:40:02,220 --> 01:39:59,620 were like slim and I switched over to a 2079 01:40:05,490 --> 01:40:02,230 business major and and that's the 2080 01:40:06,780 --> 01:40:05,500 history now yeah but now I'm like now 2081 01:40:09,690 --> 01:40:06,790 I'm back where I want it to be in the 2082 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:09,700 first place and with retirement coming 2083 01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:12,010 in thank you yeah all right so caller 2084 01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:13,660 thanks for calling in your first name 2085 01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,330 where you calling from hey Bobby Bobby I 2086 01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:21,760 met down in North Carolina about five 2087 01:40:30,750 --> 01:40:25,960 years ago something like that no with 2088 01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:30,760 more than three does he think that they 2089 01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:35,110 use fusion and how much energy would 2090 01:40:42,169 --> 01:40:39,040 actually require to to work that within 2091 01:40:44,879 --> 01:40:42,179 the way they describe that the UFOs work 2092 01:40:46,890 --> 01:40:44,889 Bobby that's a great question that's a 2093 01:40:50,129 --> 01:40:46,900 real good one 2094 01:40:53,609 --> 01:40:50,139 I don't think I do think they may use 2095 01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:53,619 fusion and I'll tell you why because you 2096 01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:55,540 are probably aware that our nuclear 2097 01:41:01,580 --> 01:40:58,090 generators right now are based on 2098 01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:01,590 fission and but but they're working on 2099 01:41:07,979 --> 01:41:05,260 trying to develop a fusion nuclear 2100 01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:07,989 energy and and they haven't had much 2101 01:41:14,340 --> 01:41:10,090 luck doing it it's hard to keep the 2102 01:41:15,810 --> 01:41:14,350 plasma contained however as you may have 2103 01:41:19,379 --> 01:41:15,820 heard in my talk there 2104 01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:19,389 I believe these UFOs are creating KK 2105 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:24,610 gravitons okay now I must emphasize that 2106 01:41:30,899 --> 01:41:27,850 we haven't seen KK gravitons yet but we 2107 01:41:33,930 --> 01:41:30,909 think they do exist and if the extra 2108 01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:33,940 dimensions exist so everybody by the way 2109 01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,820 it just as an aside here everybody in 2110 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:38,560 the audience there should be watching 2111 01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:40,570 what's going on at the Large Hadron 2112 01:41:44,459 --> 01:41:42,159 Collider because if they find these 2113 01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:44,469 extra dimensions then we may be on our 2114 01:41:49,709 --> 01:41:47,199 way to solving the UFO enigma but anyway 2115 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:49,719 going back to your question these KK 2116 01:41:53,970 --> 01:41:51,610 gravitons create tremendous 2117 01:41:55,709 --> 01:41:53,980 gravitational force how strong they can 2118 01:41:58,410 --> 01:41:55,719 actually create micro black holes and 2119 01:42:01,260 --> 01:41:58,420 and that's what I believe these UFOs are 2120 01:42:03,780 --> 01:42:01,270 doing but if they can do that then they 2121 01:42:06,030 --> 01:42:03,790 could also create fusion they get at a 2122 01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:06,040 lower strength they can use fewer KK 2123 01:42:14,910 --> 01:42:10,030 gravitons and they could actually create 2124 01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:14,920 fusion and a sustained fusion in a in a 2125 01:42:21,359 --> 01:42:17,920 container inside the UFO where they 2126 01:42:22,919 --> 01:42:21,369 could then use that energy that's the 2127 01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:22,929 first part of your question the second 2128 01:42:29,220 --> 01:42:25,360 part I don't think they need that much 2129 01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:29,230 energy I'll tell you why because okay 2130 01:42:33,060 --> 01:42:30,730 let's say they want to accelerate at a 2131 01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:33,070 hundred G's they can reduce the weight 2132 01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:35,290 of the UFO effectively it's not the real 2133 01:42:41,609 --> 01:42:38,530 it's not actual reduction of weight it's 2134 01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:41,619 only effective weight because if inertia 2135 01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:44,320 is due to the inertial force is due to 2136 01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:48,250 all the matter in the universe then if 2137 01:42:54,780 --> 01:42:51,010 if it if the universe can no longer see 2138 01:42:58,290 --> 01:42:54,790 that the UFO weighs 20 or 30 tons and it 2139 01:43:01,260 --> 01:42:58,300 sees it as only weighing maybe the 2140 01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:01,270 weight of a bullet then that UFO is free 2141 01:43:06,780 --> 01:43:03,670 to shoot particles out the back and 2142 01:43:08,189 --> 01:43:06,790 accelerate at 100 G's and and I think 2143 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:08,199 that I think that's what they're doing 2144 01:43:17,070 --> 01:43:14,410 and so that's how they are able to go at 2145 01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:17,080 these phenomenal speeds I think that was 2146 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:25,260 one of the guys in the chatroom Phillip 2147 01:43:28,770 --> 01:43:26,890 Gillenwater just said that 2148 01:43:31,530 --> 01:43:28,780 Lockheed just filed a patent for a 2149 01:43:33,570 --> 01:43:31,540 fusion powered fighter he had heard but 2150 01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:33,580 I'd also had seen a youtube video 2151 01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,370 several years ago where somebody from Y 2152 01:43:40,290 --> 01:43:38,800 Lockheed was actually talking about they 2153 01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:40,300 were very close to having a 2154 01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:43,570 refrigerator-sized fusion sustained 2155 01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:46,840 fusion reactor that's great I wonder by 2156 01:43:51,390 --> 01:43:49,330 the way I should put a mention one other 2157 01:43:54,770 --> 01:43:51,400 thing here one of my brothers worked at 2158 01:43:58,170 --> 01:43:54,780 Lockheed for like 25 years you know so 2159 01:44:00,660 --> 01:43:58,180 yeah yeah he loved it loved it like that 2160 01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:00,670 Robert so we have a we have someone 2161 01:44:06,959 --> 01:44:03,520 another person on the line so yeah 2162 01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:06,969 thanks for your call thank you 2163 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:09,190 so caller thanks for your waiting on 2164 01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:11,410 hold where are you calling from and your 2165 01:44:16,050 --> 01:44:12,900 first name please 2166 01:44:19,530 --> 01:44:16,060 hi I'm Jackson West Palm Beach hi 2167 01:44:22,140 --> 01:44:19,540 welcome to the show Jack hi I've always 2168 01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:22,150 wanted a quick question it's in our 2169 01:44:29,370 --> 01:44:25,510 space if there is no resistance couldn't 2170 01:44:31,290 --> 01:44:29,380 you achieve Lightspeed eventually if you 2171 01:44:33,810 --> 01:44:31,300 had a conventional type of craft or 2172 01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:33,820 using you know even nuclear type of 2173 01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:36,489 power if you just accelerated 2174 01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:39,310 continuously having no resistance 2175 01:44:45,330 --> 01:44:42,570 couldn't you eventually reach Lightspeed 2176 01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:45,340 Jack you're absolutely right we take a 2177 01:44:51,180 --> 01:44:48,910 little while I've seemed some articles 2178 01:44:53,070 --> 01:44:51,190 on it where they say it would take six 2179 01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:53,080 months or something but it's definitely 2180 01:44:58,620 --> 01:44:55,930 doable and and you just go at one just 2181 01:45:02,040 --> 01:44:58,630 accelerate at 1 G so you don't squash 2182 01:45:06,359 --> 01:45:02,050 the occupants and but the 2183 01:45:08,819 --> 01:45:06,369 beauty of a UFO is I believe that they 2184 01:45:11,459 --> 01:45:08,829 are able to prevent the inertial force 2185 01:45:13,379 --> 01:45:11,469 from acting on the occupants inside the 2186 01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:13,389 UFO that's something else I forgot to 2187 01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:16,000 mention earlier and so whereas in a 2188 01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:19,690 rocket you're limited by the g-forces 2189 01:45:24,990 --> 01:45:22,210 that a human can take and and you know 2190 01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:25,000 human can't really take two or three G's 2191 01:45:32,879 --> 01:45:29,770 for six months in a row so and see what 2192 01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:32,889 I mean they can take ten G's for a very 2193 01:45:37,620 --> 01:45:35,679 short period fighter jets they have the 2194 01:45:39,589 --> 01:45:37,630 G suits they have the training they can 2195 01:45:42,209 --> 01:45:39,599 do these wild turns and stuff like that 2196 01:45:44,819 --> 01:45:42,219 but they can only do it for relatively 2197 01:45:47,790 --> 01:45:44,829 short periods of time an emergency roll 2198 01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:47,800 up situations where they're dogfighting 2199 01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:50,650 or whatever but the beauty of a UFO is 2200 01:45:55,890 --> 01:45:53,050 as I had mentioned earlier and in the 2201 01:45:58,290 --> 01:45:55,900 talk here if they can effectively 2202 01:46:01,709 --> 01:45:58,300 separate themselves from the larger 2203 01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:01,719 universe and and machs principle says 2204 01:46:08,370 --> 01:46:04,510 inertia is due to all the matter in the 2205 01:46:11,010 --> 01:46:08,380 larger universe then the occupants 2206 01:46:12,990 --> 01:46:11,020 inside would be protected from the 2207 01:46:15,330 --> 01:46:13,000 inertial forces which will keep them 2208 01:46:20,490 --> 01:46:15,340 from being turned into pancakes human 2209 01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:20,500 pancakes and the so and so yeah that's I 2210 01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:22,770 think I can answer the question right 2211 01:46:28,319 --> 01:46:26,380 very good thank you yeah yeah Jack thank 2212 01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:28,329 you and by the way Jack could I ask what 2213 01:46:32,580 --> 01:46:30,610 the temperature is down and West Palm 2214 01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:32,590 Beach no I don't want to know that warm 2215 01:46:36,689 --> 01:46:33,010 today 2216 01:46:41,970 --> 01:46:36,699 very warm it was roughly 85 I think oh 2217 01:46:43,290 --> 01:46:41,980 you lucky stiff I'm not complaining we 2218 01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:43,300 are so cold up here 2219 01:46:48,750 --> 01:46:46,719 you know I can't wait for spring in a 2220 01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:48,760 real spring and real summer you know Kay 2221 01:46:52,049 --> 01:46:51,489 yeah yeah all right thanks for the call 2222 01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:52,059 Jack 2223 01:46:55,890 --> 01:46:53,650 yeah thank you gents you're welcome 2224 01:46:58,200 --> 01:46:55,900 goodbye all right so we have an open 2225 01:47:02,609 --> 01:46:58,210 line if anyone wants to call in let's 2226 01:47:05,129 --> 01:47:02,619 see there was a doo I thought I have the 2227 01:47:10,859 --> 01:47:05,139 wrong questions here the last question 2228 01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:10,869 that this person sent in to me have you 2229 01:47:16,590 --> 01:47:13,119 approached Bigelow for do you know Bob 2230 01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:16,600 Bigelow have you ever thought well 2231 01:47:21,300 --> 01:47:18,850 I'll go a little wider than this but 2232 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:21,310 have you ever thought of getting funding 2233 01:47:24,300 --> 01:47:23,290 for more research and what you're 2234 01:47:28,050 --> 01:47:24,310 talking about 2235 01:47:31,169 --> 01:47:28,060 I you know I did check out if I could 2236 01:47:36,180 --> 01:47:31,179 somehow contact Robert Billy Bigelow and 2237 01:47:41,570 --> 01:47:36,190 I realized that like any corporate CEO 2238 01:47:46,140 --> 01:47:41,580 he's pretty much you know surrounded by 2239 01:47:49,050 --> 01:47:46,150 like an impenetrable barrier and there's 2240 01:47:53,209 --> 01:47:49,060 no way to communicate with him and so 2241 01:47:57,180 --> 01:47:53,219 are the other than KK gravitons maybe 2242 01:47:59,550 --> 01:47:57,190 but but that's okay because maybe one of 2243 01:48:02,340 --> 01:47:59,560 these days he'll hear about what's being 2244 01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:02,350 talked about here and maybe he'll take 2245 01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:06,880 an interest in it and but I came up but 2246 01:48:13,860 --> 01:48:10,210 I also should mention I know this sounds 2247 01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:13,870 crazy but I've dreamed of winning the 2248 01:48:25,290 --> 01:48:19,690 Powerball everybody I guess and and I 2249 01:48:27,899 --> 01:48:25,300 actually you know I I kind of you know I 2250 01:48:30,300 --> 01:48:27,909 kind of if I ever won the Powerball I 2251 01:48:33,780 --> 01:48:30,310 would just do the research myself Oh 2252 01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:33,790 actually one other actually and in 2253 01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:36,400 relation to that as one of the things 2254 01:48:43,050 --> 01:48:39,760 that really is critical is this whether 2255 01:48:46,020 --> 01:48:43,060 you know somebody helps fund the 2256 01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:46,030 research I don't know I hope it happens 2257 01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:48,130 but I don't know if it will but I can't 2258 01:48:53,459 --> 01:48:51,040 say this that there may be things that 2259 01:48:55,649 --> 01:48:53,469 UFO researchers are that are within our 2260 01:48:58,890 --> 01:48:55,659 means that we can pool our money 2261 01:49:02,520 --> 01:48:58,900 together or what do they call those yeah 2262 01:49:04,140 --> 01:49:02,530 no me oh yeah that thing are those 2263 01:49:07,379 --> 01:49:04,150 kind of things maybe something like that 2264 01:49:10,020 --> 01:49:07,389 could do it but I came up with a great 2265 01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:12,510 Oh or well if we can get one of these 2266 01:49:19,140 --> 01:49:15,280 GoFundMe type things and we could get a 2267 01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:19,150 project going who's that guy that was a 2268 01:49:27,390 --> 01:49:21,850 special effects guy for Star Wars and 2269 01:49:28,860 --> 01:49:27,400 and all those things yeah be on my show 2270 01:49:32,010 --> 01:49:28,870 before 2271 01:49:33,630 --> 01:49:32,020 don't let her Doug Doug Trump Trump 2272 01:49:35,250 --> 01:49:33,640 Rumble you got it yeah 2273 01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:35,260 and he lives actually here in 2274 01:49:39,980 --> 01:49:37,810 Massachusetts I live in Eastern Mass he 2275 01:49:42,540 --> 01:49:39,990 lives way out on the far west 2276 01:49:42,990 --> 01:49:42,550 when he's not in California the lucky 2277 01:49:46,620 --> 01:49:43,000 stiff 2278 01:49:48,900 --> 01:49:46,630 and but Doug Trumbull some a few years 2279 01:49:52,260 --> 01:49:48,910 ago came up with this neat idea of 2280 01:49:55,890 --> 01:49:52,270 converting a Humvee and and with a roof 2281 01:49:59,580 --> 01:49:55,900 you've probably seen it the UFO 2282 01:50:04,200 --> 01:49:59,590 something or other that's it yeah thank 2283 01:50:05,820 --> 01:50:04,210 you yeah a UFO photography where the 2284 01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:05,830 roof opens up and all this 2285 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:08,050 instrumentation comes out and it's a 2286 01:50:13,170 --> 01:50:10,810 mobile platform for going out and 2287 01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:13,180 collecting UFO data my thought is this 2288 01:50:19,590 --> 01:50:17,170 that UFOs often occur in waves like the 2289 01:50:24,090 --> 01:50:19,600 Belgian UFO wave that went on for like a 2290 01:50:27,770 --> 01:50:24,100 year and the Hudson Valley UFO wave that 2291 01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:27,780 went on for like two years I think the 2292 01:50:33,870 --> 01:50:31,330 Phoenix lights occurred that occurred 2293 01:50:37,380 --> 01:50:33,880 for over many months so you have these 2294 01:50:39,780 --> 01:50:37,390 UFO waves around the country if you 2295 01:50:41,850 --> 01:50:39,790 could if you had the equipment ready 2296 01:50:44,490 --> 01:50:41,860 that you could take down there and I'll 2297 01:50:47,130 --> 01:50:44,500 tell you why this is so critical I get a 2298 01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:47,140 little excited because I know if we can 2299 01:50:53,610 --> 01:50:49,090 get this data it'll be very very 2300 01:50:56,100 --> 01:50:53,620 important if we detect hawk as as I 2301 01:50:57,540 --> 01:50:56,110 mentioned before if these UFOs are 2302 01:51:00,300 --> 01:50:57,550 producing micro black holes 2303 01:51:03,090 --> 01:51:00,310 they'll decay into Hawking radiation and 2304 01:51:06,540 --> 01:51:03,100 now Hawking radiation has a particular 2305 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:06,550 spectral signature and so we ought to be 2306 01:51:11,610 --> 01:51:09,010 able to if we can get the equipment out 2307 01:51:14,850 --> 01:51:11,620 there and and get it aimed at these UFOs 2308 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:14,860 like in the Hudson Valley and so and we 2309 01:51:18,690 --> 01:51:17,290 can pick up and if we detect Hawking 2310 01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:18,700 radiation it might be rather difficult 2311 01:51:22,140 --> 01:51:20,290 because they might have to be rather 2312 01:51:24,330 --> 01:51:22,150 close the Hawking radiation would 2313 01:51:25,770 --> 01:51:24,340 dissipate through the atmosphere would 2314 01:51:27,690 --> 01:51:25,780 have to triangulate we'd have to have 2315 01:51:31,140 --> 01:51:27,700 two or three of these vehicles the Doug 2316 01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:31,150 Trumbull Humvees and and so triangulate 2317 01:51:34,590 --> 01:51:32,800 so to make sure we know that precise 2318 01:51:37,290 --> 01:51:34,600 distance of the object so we can 2319 01:51:39,780 --> 01:51:37,300 calculate how much the radiation has 2320 01:51:42,389 --> 01:51:39,790 been attenuated from the of the UFO and 2321 01:51:44,429 --> 01:51:42,399 but if we do detect the 2322 01:51:47,909 --> 01:51:44,439 signature of Hawking radiation which by 2323 01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:47,919 the way has never been seen before by 2324 01:51:52,739 --> 01:51:51,129 the scientific community that by the way 2325 01:51:55,919 --> 01:51:52,749 would be a gigantic feather in the cap 2326 01:51:58,529 --> 01:51:55,929 of UFO researchers because we would 2327 01:52:01,229 --> 01:51:58,539 actually have spectral graphic data 2328 01:52:04,109 --> 01:52:01,239 showing Hawking radiation coming from 2329 01:52:07,049 --> 01:52:04,119 UFOs which would then demonstrate that 2330 01:52:10,319 --> 01:52:07,059 they are creating these micro black 2331 01:52:12,500 --> 01:52:10,329 holes to swallow gravitons and the KK 2332 01:52:16,350 --> 01:52:12,510 graviton to go along with that as well 2333 01:52:21,049 --> 01:52:16,360 so that's why this is so exciting 2334 01:52:23,129 --> 01:52:21,059 we need funding to do this but but not 2335 01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:23,139 millions of dollars we could probably 2336 01:52:28,799 --> 01:52:26,050 get by on hundreds of thousands you know 2337 01:52:30,989 --> 01:52:28,809 and and and would have to be a little 2338 01:52:34,500 --> 01:52:30,999 bit careful here we'd need to bring in 2339 01:52:37,949 --> 01:52:34,510 some experts on Hawking radiation and 2340 01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:37,959 spectral radiation and and because these 2341 01:52:44,179 --> 01:52:40,030 UFOs may be emitting other types of 2342 01:52:46,319 --> 01:52:44,189 radiation too that might not be 2343 01:52:49,229 --> 01:52:46,329 electromagnetic it could be for example 2344 01:52:54,929 --> 01:52:49,239 alpha rays and beta rays beta rays or 2345 01:52:57,869 --> 01:52:54,939 electrons alpha rays are helium nuclei 2346 01:52:59,759 --> 01:52:57,879 and things like that and so they might 2347 01:53:02,629 --> 01:52:59,769 be emitting other types of particles and 2348 01:53:04,830 --> 01:53:02,639 radiation and so would need to have 2349 01:53:07,469 --> 01:53:04,840 instrumentation would need to have gamma 2350 01:53:09,149 --> 01:53:07,479 ray detectors x-ray detectors the whole 2351 01:53:11,879 --> 01:53:09,159 gamut and would have to be able to 2352 01:53:14,939 --> 01:53:11,889 synthesize all this and put it into a 2353 01:53:19,169 --> 01:53:14,949 graph and and there is an experiment 2354 01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:19,179 occurring down in South America gosh I 2355 01:53:24,989 --> 01:53:22,510 can't remember the name of it but it's 2356 01:53:28,049 --> 01:53:24,999 it's designed to detect Hawking 2357 01:53:30,089 --> 01:53:28,059 radiation from cosmic rays hitting the 2358 01:53:33,060 --> 01:53:30,099 upper atmosphere and they put these 2359 01:53:36,029 --> 01:53:33,070 detectors way up in the mountains top 2360 01:53:38,279 --> 01:53:36,039 where much of the elect 12,000 feet up 2361 01:53:41,790 --> 01:53:38,289 or whatever where the atmosphere is much 2362 01:53:45,330 --> 01:53:41,800 thinner above that and a and the idea is 2363 01:53:47,250 --> 01:53:45,340 that they think that cosmic rays that 2364 01:53:49,799 --> 01:53:47,260 had come in at near the speed of light 2365 01:53:52,169 --> 01:53:49,809 can actually create a micro black hole 2366 01:53:54,330 --> 01:53:52,179 which would decay and then create 2367 01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:54,340 Hawking radiation and if we could get 2368 01:53:58,590 --> 01:53:55,930 the scientists that are involved 2369 01:54:00,600 --> 01:53:58,600 with that project to help us in our 2370 01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:00,610 project to design the instrumentation 2371 01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:04,450 that we need that's what we need and and 2372 01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:06,640 unfortunately that would take money you 2373 01:54:13,140 --> 01:54:10,450 know in so but maybe GoFundMe could do 2374 01:54:15,030 --> 01:54:13,150 it or something like that all right we 2375 01:54:16,710 --> 01:54:15,040 have another caller caller we don't have 2376 01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:16,720 a lot of time but we have some time for 2377 01:54:19,970 --> 01:54:18,880 you your first name in where you coming 2378 01:55:07,830 --> 01:54:19,980 from 2379 01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:07,840 Dennis welcome to show you yeah I got 2380 01:55:13,050 --> 01:55:09,970 things I got the gist of it you have 2381 01:55:15,210 --> 01:55:13,060 there's an issue with your phone so I 2382 01:55:18,330 --> 01:55:15,220 think he was saying why why would they 2383 01:55:20,910 --> 01:55:18,340 thanks to the call I think he was trying 2384 01:55:23,610 --> 01:55:20,920 to say why would they keep coming here 2385 01:55:25,860 --> 01:55:23,620 so many times that is a question I've 2386 01:55:28,980 --> 01:55:25,870 asked myself a lot I mean that is a 2387 01:55:32,490 --> 01:55:28,990 puzzling question Dennis that's a great 2388 01:55:34,860 --> 01:55:32,500 question a really good question um why 2389 01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:34,870 would these they come here so many times 2390 01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:37,330 well number one I believe they're coming 2391 01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:40,930 from many different civilizations so 2392 01:55:47,100 --> 01:55:43,330 they're not necessarily repeating the 2393 01:55:51,110 --> 01:55:47,110 trip okay so and number two curiosity 2394 01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:51,120 just like humans are very curious as as 2395 01:55:56,700 --> 01:55:53,920 intelligence develops evolves in a 2396 01:55:59,670 --> 01:55:56,710 species one of the hallmarks of 2397 01:56:01,440 --> 01:55:59,680 intelligence is curiosity why do things 2398 01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:01,450 happen why does this happen 2399 01:56:06,170 --> 01:56:02,800 so they're going to be wondering about 2400 01:56:09,479 --> 01:56:06,180 the rest of the universe and um and 2401 01:56:12,450 --> 01:56:09,489 Dennis I think that's what 2402 01:56:16,950 --> 01:56:12,460 they are doing but you didn't ask this 2403 01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:16,960 question but I think I might mention one 2404 01:56:23,089 --> 01:56:19,840 other thing that's very important how 2405 01:56:27,029 --> 01:56:23,099 come how come they haven't made contact 2406 01:56:28,879 --> 01:56:27,039 with us and Dennis you didn't happen to 2407 01:56:33,839 --> 01:56:28,889 ask that question but I would like to 2408 01:56:37,919 --> 01:56:33,849 propose an answer to it so I believe 2409 01:56:41,850 --> 01:56:37,929 they haven't made contact because they 2410 01:56:45,089 --> 01:56:41,860 don't it's for two reasons they do not 2411 01:56:47,069 --> 01:56:45,099 want to interfere with a developing 2412 01:56:49,319 --> 01:56:47,079 civilization and I'll give you an 2413 01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:49,329 example of that in the Philippines back 2414 01:56:54,660 --> 01:56:51,760 on the 1990s or something they 2415 01:56:56,250 --> 01:56:54,670 discovered this very primitive tribe um 2416 01:56:58,109 --> 01:56:56,260 many people don't know this but the 2417 01:57:00,029 --> 01:56:58,119 Philippines is an archipelago with 2418 01:57:02,430 --> 01:57:00,039 hundreds and hundreds of islands that 2419 01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,440 are isolated many which have never been 2420 01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:04,480 explored but they found this permit of 2421 01:57:08,850 --> 01:57:07,090 tribe and and they literally were in the 2422 01:57:12,959 --> 01:57:08,860 Stone Age and we're not even aware of 2423 01:57:14,700 --> 01:57:12,969 modern humans and so the first thought 2424 01:57:17,850 --> 01:57:14,710 that I had occurred to many people was 2425 01:57:20,339 --> 01:57:17,860 well we'll bring in a Kmart we'll bring 2426 01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:20,349 in a McDonald's and and we'll introduce 2427 01:57:24,899 --> 01:57:22,690 them to civilization and and they can 2428 01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:24,909 buy rifles and stuff and so on like that 2429 01:57:31,439 --> 01:57:28,210 from you know and but then somebody said 2430 01:57:33,810 --> 01:57:31,449 you know wait a minute if we give them 2431 01:57:36,330 --> 01:57:33,820 all these McDonald's stuff and and 2432 01:57:38,899 --> 01:57:36,340 they're used to a diet of fish they 2433 01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:38,909 could end up they may not be adapted to 2434 01:57:44,129 --> 01:57:42,249 cheeseburgers and french fries and they 2435 01:57:46,830 --> 01:57:44,139 may end up with diabetes and all that 2436 01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:46,840 and uh and then if we give them rifles 2437 01:57:50,819 --> 01:57:49,090 they might not use it just for hunting 2438 01:57:52,770 --> 01:57:50,829 they might use it against each other and 2439 01:57:55,500 --> 01:57:52,780 we'd have a huge problem on our hands 2440 01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:55,510 and so they suddenly said maybe we'll do 2441 01:58:00,509 --> 01:57:58,480 a wait-and-see approach we'll just let 2442 01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:00,519 them develop at their own pace and I 2443 01:58:04,379 --> 01:58:02,530 think that's what the alien 2444 01:58:06,540 --> 01:58:04,389 civilizations are doing and the fact 2445 01:58:09,689 --> 01:58:06,550 that they're probably coming from many 2446 01:58:11,100 --> 01:58:09,699 different civilizations and but the fact 2447 01:58:14,819 --> 01:58:11,110 that they all act in the same manner 2448 01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:14,829 that is they all don't make direct 2449 01:58:21,950 --> 01:58:17,530 contact with us suggests that there may 2450 01:58:23,459 --> 01:58:21,960 be an overarching organization like a 2451 01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:23,469 galactic federal 2452 01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:26,080 or Universal Federation of advanced 2453 01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:29,530 civilizations that has a protocol you do 2454 01:58:34,229 --> 01:58:31,210 not interfere with developing 2455 01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:34,239 civilizations and whoops timewise yeah 2456 01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:36,130 we are we're out of time we got out of 2457 01:58:39,330 --> 01:58:36,850 time already 2458 01:58:41,250 --> 01:58:39,340 I can't believe so yeah I hope that 2459 01:58:43,170 --> 01:58:41,260 answers the question for Dennis yeah 2460 01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:43,180 thank you and I wanted I really wanted 2461 01:58:47,850 --> 01:58:45,130 to read this we only have 30 seconds 2462 01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:47,860 left here we had enough this is from Jay 2463 01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:50,410 Alan in the chat we had two UFOs above 2464 01:58:56,340 --> 01:58:53,770 our runway at our military base zero 2465 01:58:57,930 --> 01:58:56,350 sounds nothing on radar oddly they 2466 01:59:01,200 --> 01:58:57,940 hovered like they were floating on water 2467 01:59:04,260 --> 01:59:01,210 undulating curious dynamics 2468 01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:04,270 wave wave based he's asking you could it 2469 01:59:10,770 --> 01:59:08,410 be wave based the undulation is because 2470 01:59:12,270 --> 01:59:10,780 because remember I had said they 2471 01:59:15,900 --> 01:59:12,280 effectively their weight is very light 2472 01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:15,910 so that means that that wobble the if 2473 01:59:19,709 --> 01:59:18,250 you know you take a frisbee if you want 2474 01:59:22,260 --> 01:59:19,719 to throw it across the yard what do you 2475 01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:22,270 do to throw it across the yard you spin 2476 01:59:27,390 --> 01:59:25,360 you spin it yeah and you spin it to to 2477 01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:27,400 stabilize it and if you notice these 2478 01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:30,250 UFOs spin to that strongly suggest 2479 01:59:35,310 --> 01:59:33,130 they're effectively very light weight so 2480 01:59:39,150 --> 01:59:35,320 they have to spin to stabilize but that 2481 01:59:41,939 --> 01:59:39,160 also means that that they're likely to 2482 01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:41,949 be wobbly a little bit because they are 2483 01:59:47,970 --> 01:59:44,890 so effectively light they are affected 2484 01:59:50,160 --> 01:59:47,980 by air currents believe it or not and so 2485 01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:50,170 they they're gonna wobble a little bit 2486 01:59:55,500 --> 01:59:52,690 and even though they're able to stay in 2487 01:59:57,660 --> 01:59:55,510 roughly one position but that's why I'm 2488 02:00:00,150 --> 01:59:57,670 sorry yeah we are out of time thanks so 2489 02:00:02,850 --> 02:00:00,160 much Robert thank you very much it's 2490 02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:02,860 been a real pleasure as always I can't 2491 02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:04,330 believe we filled up all that time so 2492 02:00:10,590 --> 02:00:07,890 fast all right and incredible all right 2493 02:00:12,390 --> 02:00:10,600 all right take care yeah bye-bye 2494 02:00:16,350 --> 02:00:12,400 all right everyone so that's it for the 2495 02:00:18,510 --> 02:00:16,360 show thank you and let's see I'm just 2496 02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:18,520 have to do I don't want to hang up on 2497 02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:20,530 our show producer and I've done that 2498 02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:24,730 before let's try to do it this way okay 2499 02:00:28,979 --> 02:00:26,890 so thank you so much everyone for 2500 02:00:31,470 --> 02:00:28,989 listening I thought it was a great show 2501 02:00:35,090 --> 02:00:31,480 tonight and we'll be back we're going to 2502 02:00:37,259 --> 02:00:35,100 go a different the whole 90 degrees or 2503 02:00:38,819 --> 02:00:37,269 360 degrees different 2504 02:00:41,069 --> 02:00:38,829 next week we're going to have Mike 2505 02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:41,079 McLelland on he's gonna be talking about 2506 02:00:46,189 --> 02:00:44,050 owls and UFOs he's got a new book out 2507 02:00:48,689 --> 02:00:46,199 we're gonna be talking about that and 2508 02:00:50,939 --> 02:00:48,699 thanks so much for supporting the show 2509 02:00:52,529 --> 02:00:50,949 or listening on YouTube or listening on 2510 02:00:55,049 --> 02:00:52,539 the dark matter digital network I want 2511 02:00:57,959 --> 02:00:55,059 to thank Peggy for managing the Facebook 2512 02:01:01,020 --> 02:00:57,969 page Alejandro Rojas for the news Evan 2513 02:01:03,029 --> 02:01:01,030 for producing the show and our guest 2514 02:01:04,739 --> 02:01:03,039 of course Robert Schroeder thanks so 2515 02:01:16,570 --> 02:01:04,749 much everyone and remember to keep your